If you use Windows you know they will re-enable that on the next update, after you took your time turning all the garbage off. That was the final drop in the bucket for me to switch away from Windows some years ago actually.
I do agree Windows can be pretty decent when you do that, but if I am to have all this work to set up my machine, and then having them undo it, then I might as well learn a system that actually does what I tell it to.
What really bothers me is simping for corporations. I’ve had Windows reset my stuff multiple times to the point I had a script to set it up every update. At this point I decided it would be less work to switch to an OS that would not do this. You said yourself you need a whole procedure, not because the system itself is bad, but because of bullshit they tack on top of it.
I understand Linux will not play nice on all hardware but my Ubuntu install has been perfect for 6 years now (through changing motherboards and cloning to another disk).
I absolutely never said Windows is 100% bad and nobody should use it and Linux is completely perfect. I’ve even been saying the opposite on this thread. I needed to use it at many points.
But if you want to get rid of ads, bullshit like the OP article, Linux is the only sane solution and I stand by it, it is much better to learn a new system than constantly deal with issues on another just because it is what you are used to.
Are you sure it has no telemetry? The only way I can think to be sure would be to block it in your router. Lots of software still does telemetry even if you try to disable it. There was a researcher a while back who found out that iOS sends in telemetry even if you explicitly disable it. He had to basically MITM his own phone and watch all the packets in Wireshark, but he figured out it was sending telemetry even with all the telemetry options disabled.
Interesting! What if it connects to a server by IP without using DNS? Do you have a way to track that?
My concern would be that without diasssembling all of the components, isn’t it impossible to know which pieces have telemetry? For example, on iPhone, some of the core OS UI elements have telemetry built-in to keep track of which elements are displayed, selected, etc. And, based on research, some of that telemetry stays active even when you “disable it.” Based on that, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Control Panel or Device Manager has telemetry built-in. I know PowerShell has telemetry, at least, since that’s documented.
I guess it would be possible to disassemble and identify which OS pieces access the networking APIs. Is that what you’ve done? I had a friend who was working on something like that one time to hone his disassembly skills. I’m not sure what you’d do if the kernel itself has telemetry. I guess you could patch it out, but that feels like an uphill battle.
It’s good, but you can’t know for sure if you removed all bloatware. Also if you install updates you can easily miss newly added ones.
Windows is like Reddit. There is more content and users, but we use Lemmy for a reason. So I’m not surprised that many people joke about GNU/Linux in this thread. GNU/Linux is not for everyone, but so do Lemmy.
Same. I recently built a new machine and considered putting win10 on it instead of 11 due to all the complaints I’ve read. Instead, I just went with 11 to give it a try. After install it took me about an hour, but I had all recommendations, ads, and other annoyances turned off. After that setup, I’ve really liked the OS. Everything just works. Plug in new hardware and it just works. Download some random new software and it just works.
I say this as a software engineer that works with Linux systems daily.
For my personal use, I want my pc to just work. I spend enough time configuring and making things work at my job, I want my home pc to be no hassle and to work with everything I throw at it.
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If you use Windows you know they will re-enable that on the next update, after you took your time turning all the garbage off. That was the final drop in the bucket for me to switch away from Windows some years ago actually.
I do agree Windows can be pretty decent when you do that, but if I am to have all this work to set up my machine, and then having them undo it, then I might as well learn a system that actually does what I tell it to.
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What really bothers me is simping for corporations. I’ve had Windows reset my stuff multiple times to the point I had a script to set it up every update. At this point I decided it would be less work to switch to an OS that would not do this. You said yourself you need a whole procedure, not because the system itself is bad, but because of bullshit they tack on top of it.
I understand Linux will not play nice on all hardware but my Ubuntu install has been perfect for 6 years now (through changing motherboards and cloning to another disk).
I absolutely never said Windows is 100% bad and nobody should use it and Linux is completely perfect. I’ve even been saying the opposite on this thread. I needed to use it at many points.
But if you want to get rid of ads, bullshit like the OP article, Linux is the only sane solution and I stand by it, it is much better to learn a new system than constantly deal with issues on another just because it is what you are used to.
Are you sure it has no telemetry? The only way I can think to be sure would be to block it in your router. Lots of software still does telemetry even if you try to disable it. There was a researcher a while back who found out that iOS sends in telemetry even if you explicitly disable it. He had to basically MITM his own phone and watch all the packets in Wireshark, but he figured out it was sending telemetry even with all the telemetry options disabled.
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Interesting! What if it connects to a server by IP without using DNS? Do you have a way to track that?
My concern would be that without diasssembling all of the components, isn’t it impossible to know which pieces have telemetry? For example, on iPhone, some of the core OS UI elements have telemetry built-in to keep track of which elements are displayed, selected, etc. And, based on research, some of that telemetry stays active even when you “disable it.” Based on that, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Control Panel or Device Manager has telemetry built-in. I know PowerShell has telemetry, at least, since that’s documented.
I guess it would be possible to disassemble and identify which OS pieces access the networking APIs. Is that what you’ve done? I had a friend who was working on something like that one time to hone his disassembly skills. I’m not sure what you’d do if the kernel itself has telemetry. I guess you could patch it out, but that feels like an uphill battle.
It’s good, but you can’t know for sure if you removed all bloatware. Also if you install updates you can easily miss newly added ones.
Windows is like Reddit. There is more content and users, but we use Lemmy for a reason. So I’m not surprised that many people joke about GNU/Linux in this thread. GNU/Linux is not for everyone, but so do Lemmy.
Same. I recently built a new machine and considered putting win10 on it instead of 11 due to all the complaints I’ve read. Instead, I just went with 11 to give it a try. After install it took me about an hour, but I had all recommendations, ads, and other annoyances turned off. After that setup, I’ve really liked the OS. Everything just works. Plug in new hardware and it just works. Download some random new software and it just works.
I say this as a software engineer that works with Linux systems daily.
For my personal use, I want my pc to just work. I spend enough time configuring and making things work at my job, I want my home pc to be no hassle and to work with everything I throw at it.
For this, windows is, by far, the best.