The South Korean military says it will maintain martial law until it is lifted by President Yoon Suk Yeol, despite the nation’s parliament voting to block its enforcement, according to the country’s national broadcaster.
Yeah this is 100% a power grab. AFAIK there’s nothing going on right now in SK at a national level that could possibly justify the declaration of martial law countrywide.
As far as I understand, the president’s decision might be void, since he was required to hold a session of the government before declaring martial law, but did not.
I predict that the military will consult their lawyers and stop enforcing it really soon.
I suspect the president either went insane or attempted some kind of a coup. His own party voting against his decision is a clear signal that it’s a solo performance. He has no political backing.
I mean… if the military is behind the president (and it sounds like they just might be), this is just the beginning phase of a coup, wherein their legislature is taken out behind the shed.
This is hours old, I think there might be a couple generals for sure, but the rest of the military is playing catch up. We’ll see how those chips fell tomorrow morning most likely.
Judging by the unanimous decision of the parliament, the majority of soldiers will have no interest in going forward with a coup. A minority could have interest, but would soon notice they’re a minority.
Technically it might be, but all political power stems from the people agreeing to be governed. If they aren’t represented, they won’t agree to be governed for long.
Basically, the parliament can’t afford to let itself be suspended. It’s needed because the president is going to get dismissed after this kind of behaviour.
So, the following is a genuine question and not a snide remark.
Does that matter? Is the military going to respect that? I’d heard prior to this that the military had forbade parliament from gathering. What’s to say they don’t just side with Yoon?Certainly wouldn’t be the first time in history that a nation’s military has dictated the corse of the nation’s civil future. I really hate asking questions like this but I’m just not familiar enough with the politics of South Korea to know if this a done and dusted thing or if the military is likely to go for a coup if Yoon pitches it.
God, I was just breathing a sigh of relief till this poped up a moment later.
The South Korean military says it will maintain martial law until it is lifted by President Yoon Suk Yeol, despite the nation’s parliament voting to block its enforcement, according to the country’s national broadcaster.
Nah, even if evidence appeared at this stage showing the election was interfered with here, the damage is done, there would be no attempt to keep office. The S.C. would rule the period for recounting the votes has passed, precedent being 2000 Florida.
It’s possible a few might, and with the razor thin majority they have it might end up a majority opposing it, but the SCROTUS would nip any resistance in the bud regardless.
The populous voted whether through representatives, singular vote or any other democratic system that their parliament has the right to disband martial law. They voted to disband it and they have not disbanded. It is an act of treason unless he immediately followed the process elected and put in place by the people.
The only way forward would be to have him removed and charged with such immediately, or he is in fact a dictator.
In the end, it’s what the military actually end up doing (or not doing) that will determine South Korea’s fate. You’re right that letting them get away with it will only encourage further lawlessness in the future even if they manage to get through this now.
EDIT: Yoon said he’d lift it, but I really hope they don’t let the opposition to the rule of law go unpunished.
Their parliament has just voted 190–0 to end martial law.
Edit: Yoon has just agreed to hold a cabinet meeting to end the martial law as voted by the National Assembly.
My god they are so efficient. Whole thing lasted like 3 hours
Don’t hold you breath…
From BBC:
Oh that’s very not good
planet earth turns into a freaking ice ball after exchanging the sun for a blank hole
Yeah this is 100% a power grab. AFAIK there’s nothing going on right now in SK at a national level that could possibly justify the declaration of martial law countrywide.
As far as I understand, the president’s decision might be void, since he was required to hold a session of the government before declaring martial law, but did not.
I predict that the military will consult their lawyers and stop enforcing it really soon.
I suspect the president either went insane or attempted some kind of a coup. His own party voting against his decision is a clear signal that it’s a solo performance. He has no political backing.
I mean… if the military is behind the president (and it sounds like they just might be), this is just the beginning phase of a coup, wherein their legislature is taken out behind the shed.
This is hours old, I think there might be a couple generals for sure, but the rest of the military is playing catch up. We’ll see how those chips fell tomorrow morning most likely.
Judging by the unanimous decision of the parliament, the majority of soldiers will have no interest in going forward with a coup. A minority could have interest, but would soon notice they’re a minority.
No man rules alone
I suspect his presidency isn’t much longer for this world.
Under martial law parliament is suspended so the vote was symbolic
Not exactly, under the constitution if the parliament votes to suspend martial law the president must end it. A constitutional crisis is brewing
Technically it might be, but all political power stems from the people agreeing to be governed. If they aren’t represented, they won’t agree to be governed for long.
Basically, the parliament can’t afford to let itself be suspended. It’s needed because the president is going to get dismissed after this kind of behaviour.
So, the following is a genuine question and not a snide remark.
Does that matter? Is the military going to respect that? I’d heard prior to this that the military had forbade parliament from gathering. What’s to say they don’t just side with Yoon?Certainly wouldn’t be the first time in history that a nation’s military has dictated the corse of the nation’s civil future. I really hate asking questions like this but I’m just not familiar enough with the politics of South Korea to know if this a done and dusted thing or if the military is likely to go for a coup if Yoon pitches it.
Apparently, yes, they respected it.
The military personnel that had been in the building earlier have now departed - but the representatives say they will stay put in case of an attempt to disband the parliament.
EDIT: Aaand they’re not gone.
God, I was just breathing a sigh of relief till this poped up a moment later.
Hope that’s just postureing.
Ooh, not great. Preview of the US in January? Except for the blocking part, that’d never happen.
Nah, even if evidence appeared at this stage showing the election was interfered with here, the damage is done, there would be no attempt to keep office. The S.C. would rule the period for recounting the votes has passed, precedent being 2000 Florida.
True, but I was referring to when Trump declares martial law, as he said he would. There will be no opposition from his own party as there was here.
Yeah, Republican Congress members wouldn’t attempt to stop it, they endorsed it.
It’s possible a few might, and with the razor thin majority they have it might end up a majority opposing it, but the SCROTUS would nip any resistance in the bud regardless.
Hopefully half heartedly because I just found a live feed of people in the streets in Seoul. So they aren’t exactly enforcing martial law yet.
Who’s not gone, the military or the representatives
Military. They said they’re not leaving until the president stops declaring martial law.
Hopefully they’re not actually doing anything though, just standing around until it’s resolved.
That’s how it seems so far. Hoping this doesn’t end badly for South Korea. The last thing we need is another dictatorship in the world.
Well then democracy has fallen in that country. That blows
Not just yet, but it’s dangerously close.
The populous voted whether through representatives, singular vote or any other democratic system that their parliament has the right to disband martial law. They voted to disband it and they have not disbanded. It is an act of treason unless he immediately followed the process elected and put in place by the people.
The only way forward would be to have him removed and charged with such immediately, or he is in fact a dictator.
In the end, it’s what the military actually end up doing (or not doing) that will determine South Korea’s fate. You’re right that letting them get away with it will only encourage further lawlessness in the future even if they manage to get through this now.
EDIT: Yoon said he’d lift it, but I really hope they don’t let the opposition to the rule of law go unpunished.
Who is “the military”?
A clean vote, that’s good.