• orizuru@lemmy.sdf.org
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    1 year ago

    Are you aware that it’s possible to want neither NATO tanks nor Russian tanks in Ukraine?

    I am.

    But do you believe Ukraine is able to maintain their territory protected from Russia without NATO’s weapon supply?

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      1 year ago

      No, just as it would be unable to resist NATO in being turned into a far-right paramilitary-led banana republic if Russia were to suddenly withdraw without any decrease in NATO involvement.

      But the beauty of the neat little trick above is that if the working classes of both sides correctly oppose their respective ruling classes’ interests, we can end up with a scenario where both sides lose - objectively the best outcome for the Ukrainian people, as well as everyone else.

      The Russian anti-war activists are clearly holding up their end of the bargain. Why are you not holding up yours?

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        The Russian anti-war activists are clearly holding up their end of the bargain. Why are you not holding up yours?

        Ah! To be young and naive enough to believe that the anti-war activists in Russia have any leverage. They will all end up in Siberia or jumping out of a window.

        Any regime change in Russia will come from the oligarchs, and the Russian working class will still be in a bad position (if not worse).

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          To be young and naive enough to believe that the anti-war activists in Russia have any leverage

          funny how shitlibs like you will gladly say stuff like this while in the very same breath talking about how russians are all evil orcs for genociding the smol bean ukranians and they need to be wiped out

          also the “oh i am so worldly and wise” liberal condescension act is beyond tired. if you’re so old and venerable then just fucking die already, ghoul.

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            also the “oh i am so worldly and wise” liberal condescension act is beyond tired. if you’re so old and venerable then just fucking die already, ghoul.

            😘

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      1 year ago

      He most likely doesn’t believe Ukraine is able to maintain their territory protected from Russia with NATO’s weapon supply, and for good reason, given how clearly this is demonstrated by the utter failure of the vaunted counter-offensive. The only thing your position is really advocating is the useless deaths of vast numbers of Ukrainians (and Russians, for that matter).

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        1 year ago

        The mere fact that they are in the act of a counter offensive after Russia tried to blitz then shows that it’s not even close to what you’re describing.

        Ukraine is holding their current territory pretty easily and gaining the upper hand very clearly.

        • Russia tried to blitz

          The mere fact that you believe this shows how steeped in western propaganda you are

          At no point was Russia’s strategy a blitz, this is a lie meant to equate Russia with nazi Germany and Pitin With Hitler even though it’s still ukkkraine celebrating Bandara as a national hero

          No Russia’s gameplan from the start has been what it has been for almost 100 years, Soviet tactics not that that coked up nazi blitzkreig bullshit

          The attack on Kiev was likely a feint

          Ukraine is holding their current territory pretty easily and gaining the upper hand very clearly.

          The cope levels are off the charts