Tennessee Rep. Andy Ogles has proposed legislation that would amend the Constitution, allowing Donald Trump to run for a third presidential term. “I am proposing an amendment to the Constitution to revise the limitations imposed by the 22nd Amendment...
New GOP bill would let Trump (but not Obama) run for a third term [another source]
Congress: A two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate is required
Constitutional convention: Two-thirds of state legislatures must call for a convention
Ratification
Three-fourths of state legislatures or conventions must ratify the amendment
Each state legislature must vote on the amendment in an up-or-down vote
State legislatures cannot change the language of the amendment
This bill is DOA, it’s just (more) political theater
If anything it’s an admission of the realization that Trump won’t be able to accomplish much of anything in just 4 years at the pace government functions
Hitler didn’t become dictator by playing by the rules. Why do you think Trump will?
Hitler burned down the German Congress. Trump will do something similar if he can.
Basically our only hope is if the CIA, FBI, secret service, and us armed forces refuse his orders. Step 1 will be putting his cronies in positions of power and firing anyone who stands up to him.
Our only hope is that they refuse the firing and take over their respective office, that employees are loyal to them and not Trump. Specifically this is most important in the us armed forces among the generals. But then our best case scenario is a civil war.
Civil war or dictatorship is on the horizon and there is no stopping it.
That’s kind of a separate thought. The topic here is the specific amendment, which will not happen. If he somehow establishes himself in that manner, it won’t have anything to do with this amendment that will fail.
Now that Hegseth is in, the Joint Chiefs will be key. You can assume that anybody with a high enough rank to be a Joint Chief will have tended to vote Republican, but the current bunch would be dead set against using the military to fire on American civilians on American soil. They’ll be kicked out, but the Senate needs to confirm the new batch. That’s the fight that needs to have the monkey wrench thrown in.
And it has happened in the US. Consider the case of the Bonus Army. Herbert Hoover sicced Douglas MagArthur on US citizens protesting in Washington DC for fair treatment of veterans.
You’re assuming the constitution will still mean something by the time his firstsecond term ends. That’s exactly why they’re pushing all sorts of unconstitutional shit. The executive branch is the one that has the power to enforce or not enforce laws, and the only recourse the legislative branch has is impeachment, which we’ve seen twice isn’t going to happen. Especially when the supreme court is beholden to him too.
Even if it doesn’t mean anything, it won’t get amended. This discussion is about passing an amendment, not directly about whether Trump keeps hold of power anyway.
Incidentally, assuming the larger institutions are intact (which is not a given), on the next inauguration day he is no longer head of the executive branch. He doesn’t need to be impeached, he’s out of office. So new president has authority to act regardless. So if he stays in, it is because he successfully dismantled everything, not because he can continue to wield authority as the executive branch after the conclusion of his term until an impeachment finally throws him out.
I mean, was he wrong? Insurrection, separation of powers, no one being above the law, Roe. v. Wade, etc. I would say that since 2021 the constitution has not really meant that much apparently.
If they get to the point of being able to just ignore something like that, they have no reason to amend the constitution anyway because they can just toss it out
Oh totally, if you are playing by the rules then this can’t happen.
What happens if the GOP appoints him as their candidate in 4 years time? Presumably someone asks the supreme court to weigh in, but given it’s current make up, what happens if they say “yeah sure, because democrats are The Enemy” or something?
It’s just people, breaking the rules is always an option. Rules and laws only work if they are enforceable - and at the end of the day, who would be enforcing that he can’t run? The military? State militias?
I fully expect them to come up with some kind of insane rationale to try to get around the 22nd amendment and it will come down to a stacked deck supreme court to rule on its constitutionality
It will be fun to watch the Supreme Court justices try their best to distort reality on an amendment specifically designed to handle instances such as this.
It’s going to be a brain melter for sure
I think I might just sell everything I own, quit my job and move somewhere low cost and tropical after November 7, 2028
I wish I had already done it. I just honestly didn’t think America would elect a convicted felon. Even just misspelling the word “potato” used to be a deal breaker
It says no such president can be elected more than twice. So if Trump is the running mate of a stand in President, that president can step down and Trump take over. He could technically have that third term.
Seeing as he’s literally already ineligible to be president this time since he incited an insurrection, and his entire second administration and everything it does is by extension illegal and unconstitutional
I was curious where precisely it would state that a person disqualified by the 22nd amendment can’t be VP either. I mean it’s common sense, but I haven’t seen it. Of course if they had their heartset on it, one wonders if the could just name him speaker of the house and then have both step down.
The technicality on the insurrection is that he was never found responsible by any federal court.
The question is whether they keep trying to “technically” around the Constitution versus dropping all pretense. It seems that, so far, they still value the optics of compliance. But we are so so early in the term…
I’m not seeing it on a quick look either, I thought it was spelled out but I think it’s mainly assumed that since the VP’s only real duties beyond the president of the Senate is as a replacement for the president and would need to actually be able to hold that position to be vp.
But I think you’re right, that’s just largely held to be the case but not explicitly defined.
Wait till till Carence Thomas and Samuel Alito pic and choose Textual mism and Originalism to say that the ratification that added term limits is not how the founding fathers intended and therefore is note constitutional.
I mean, is it though? If they literally did that… Who would challenge it? Who would it be challenged to?
When the rules don’t matter, relying on them to follow rules isn’t going to get you very far… They may be unlikely to try to pull that, but don’t count on that stopping them.
Can’t happen
Congress: A two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate is required
Constitutional convention: Two-thirds of state legislatures must call for a convention
Ratification
Three-fourths of state legislatures or conventions must ratify the amendment
Each state legislature must vote on the amendment in an up-or-down vote
State legislatures cannot change the language of the amendment
This bill is DOA, it’s just (more) political theater
If anything it’s an admission of the realization that Trump won’t be able to accomplish much of anything in just 4 years at the pace government functions
Now do abortion…oh wait
THEY SAID THEY EXACT SAME THING THEN
You’re a lot more optimistic than I am that they’ll actually follow the rules, even in how to change the rules…
Hitler didn’t become dictator by playing by the rules. Why do you think Trump will?
Hitler burned down the German Congress. Trump will do something similar if he can.
Basically our only hope is if the CIA, FBI, secret service, and us armed forces refuse his orders. Step 1 will be putting his cronies in positions of power and firing anyone who stands up to him.
Our only hope is that they refuse the firing and take over their respective office, that employees are loyal to them and not Trump. Specifically this is most important in the us armed forces among the generals. But then our best case scenario is a civil war.
Civil war or dictatorship is on the horizon and there is no stopping it.
That’s kind of a separate thought. The topic here is the specific amendment, which will not happen. If he somehow establishes himself in that manner, it won’t have anything to do with this amendment that will fail.
He already replaced the leader of the Coast Guard. That’s how you start. It’s already happening people. Recognize.
Now that Hegseth is in, the Joint Chiefs will be key. You can assume that anybody with a high enough rank to be a Joint Chief will have tended to vote Republican, but the current bunch would be dead set against using the military to fire on American civilians on American soil. They’ll be kicked out, but the Senate needs to confirm the new batch. That’s the fight that needs to have the monkey wrench thrown in.
Know your history. Pieces of paper don’t mean shit when the right political circumstances arise / are manufactured.
-edit: case in point, recent article by The Atlantic
And it has happened in the US. Consider the case of the Bonus Army. Herbert Hoover sicced Douglas MagArthur on US citizens protesting in Washington DC for fair treatment of veterans.
People still think they care about the law and it mystifies me.
You don’t need to follow the law when you are the law.
You’re assuming the constitution will still mean something by the time his
firstsecond term ends. That’s exactly why they’re pushing all sorts of unconstitutional shit. The executive branch is the one that has the power to enforce or not enforce laws, and the only recourse the legislative branch has is impeachment, which we’ve seen twice isn’t going to happen. Especially when the supreme court is beholden to him too.Even if it doesn’t mean anything, it won’t get amended. This discussion is about passing an amendment, not directly about whether Trump keeps hold of power anyway.
Incidentally, assuming the larger institutions are intact (which is not a given), on the next inauguration day he is no longer head of the executive branch. He doesn’t need to be impeached, he’s out of office. So new president has authority to act regardless. So if he stays in, it is because he successfully dismantled everything, not because he can continue to wield authority as the executive branch after the conclusion of his term until an impeachment finally throws him out.
2021?
I mean, was he wrong? Insurrection, separation of powers, no one being above the law, Roe. v. Wade, etc. I would say that since 2021 the constitution has not really meant that much apparently.
Ugh, I meant second. Guess I blocked out those 4 years.
That usually happens with traumatic experiences.
Which is what explains how I’m 41 years old, and don’t remember one second of my life.
…either that, or I have dementia…
If they get to the point of being able to just ignore something like that, they have no reason to amend the constitution anyway because they can just toss it out
Oh totally, if you are playing by the rules then this can’t happen.
What happens if the GOP appoints him as their candidate in 4 years time? Presumably someone asks the supreme court to weigh in, but given it’s current make up, what happens if they say “yeah sure, because democrats are The Enemy” or something?
It’s just people, breaking the rules is always an option. Rules and laws only work if they are enforceable - and at the end of the day, who would be enforcing that he can’t run? The military? State militias?
I fully expect them to come up with some kind of insane rationale to try to get around the 22nd amendment and it will come down to a stacked deck supreme court to rule on its constitutionality
It will be fun to watch the Supreme Court justices try their best to distort reality on an amendment specifically designed to handle instances such as this.
It’s going to be a brain melter for sure
I think I might just sell everything I own, quit my job and move somewhere low cost and tropical after November 7, 2028
I wish I had already done it. I just honestly didn’t think America would elect a convicted felon. Even just misspelling the word “potato” used to be a deal breaker
Well here’s the workaround for the 22nd.
It says no such president can be elected more than twice. So if Trump is the running mate of a stand in President, that president can step down and Trump take over. He could technically have that third term.
He’d be ineligible to be vice president as well
Not that this would stop them, of course
Seeing as he’s literally already ineligible to be president this time since he incited an insurrection, and his entire second administration and everything it does is by extension illegal and unconstitutional
I was curious where precisely it would state that a person disqualified by the 22nd amendment can’t be VP either. I mean it’s common sense, but I haven’t seen it. Of course if they had their heartset on it, one wonders if the could just name him speaker of the house and then have both step down.
The technicality on the insurrection is that he was never found responsible by any federal court.
The question is whether they keep trying to “technically” around the Constitution versus dropping all pretense. It seems that, so far, they still value the optics of compliance. But we are so so early in the term…
I’m not seeing it on a quick look either, I thought it was spelled out but I think it’s mainly assumed that since the VP’s only real duties beyond the president of the Senate is as a replacement for the president and would need to actually be able to hold that position to be vp.
But I think you’re right, that’s just largely held to be the case but not explicitly defined.
Yeah, that’s who was supposed to be the last resort. Buuuut…our modern “militias” probably would just turn their guns back on us for him.
Buy a gun and start one
It’s so we are talking about this and not the incompetent racist fascists who are being selected.
That ship has sailed. You need to catch up. Things are moving fast.
No, it hasn’t. This is a part of the “fill the zone with shit” strategy thatTrump continually uses.
Wait till till Carence Thomas and Samuel Alito pic and choose Textual mism and Originalism to say that the ratification that added term limits is not how the founding fathers intended and therefore is note constitutional.
Kind of impossible to rule an amendment unconstitutional.
I mean, is it though? If they literally did that… Who would challenge it? Who would it be challenged to?
When the rules don’t matter, relying on them to follow rules isn’t going to get you very far… They may be unlikely to try to pull that, but don’t count on that stopping them.
SCOTUS can make whatever ruling they want as long as the President and Congress support it.
True, but the supreme court has been doing some of the strangest things and using the strangest reasons for them.
At least there’s hope.