He didn’t though. UHC is still in operation along with the rest of the for-profit healthcare system. If anything, UHC has gotten even worse based on recent stories.
I wish he had done that, I do. I sympathize with why he did it.
But no matter how much people want this to be the case, you cannot assassinate your way out of capitalism. You simply can’t.
I would agree in the sense that Labor affects capitalism more than attrition. The machine can always replace a meatbag here and there, but something like a strike, or a mass payment freeze is much harder as that hits the bottom line.
Mobilizing the amount of people required though in today’s world would take something BIG to break through the constant noise and call people to action.
This is such a silly take… This is like saying killing a Nazi officer in World War 2 does zero good.
Sure, the Nazi’s could use the death of their officer to spin up propaganda, and do terrible things. But a dead Nazi is a dead Nazi.
In this case, a previously untouchable, evil elite was cut down on the public stage. He was an evil man that hid behind success at all costs as a vehicle to praise and validation… And some random nobody stood up and said “no, I don’t respect your success, you’re evil.” and shot him.
This isn’t how capitalism ends, it’s how justice and the end of invulnerable elites begins. This is how we end one of the most destructive societal values America still holds. Not with bullets, but with open, brutal contempt for those that reap rewards off the suffering of others.
look at you lefty, calling everyone you don’t like a Nazi again. don’t you know this is why people become Nazis? just because he was filling the trains to the death camps doesn’t make him a bad person, in fact he most likely grew up on a farm, so he’s actually a working class hero.
No. He did not. He stopped someone helping to facilitate that murder who was easily replaced and the murder continued unabated, if not gotten worse.
Yet again, I sympathize with him. I wish this was anywhere near enough. People seem to think this will be the end of capitalist medicine and they will be waiting for that end to happen for a very long time under Trump.
Why people have the idea that Republicans are going to be like, “oh, you’re killing CEOs? We better give everyone free healthcare!” I don’t know. That does not jibe with the entire history of them and their policies. What they do is circle the wagons and double down. That should be obvious by now.
If you’re attempting to know what Mangione’s intention was, the actual result is irrelevant. And what’s the probability that Mangione’s goal was the complete eradication of the capitalist system, or even causing UHC to shut down? Using propaganda of the deed to raise awareness that might lead to public pressure and/or regulatory chance, maybe.
Didn’t their stock value drop by tens of billions? I would say that’s something, awareness at the very least. But it’s just a beginning. Certainly his Intent was to prevent mass murder.
If their stocks drop they can still use the difference in buy and sale values to deduct taxable income, meaning it will always be worth roughly 37% to the CEOs even if it becomes near worthless.
Plus they can just buy it back and wait for a rebound if they want to. It doesnt affect their normal operation.
They probably loaned their own stocks out to short sell and made profits.
I agree. I think that was his intent. I just don’t think it was successful. Even if UHC loses value (and the value it lost was actually negligible compared to its revenue even though it sounds like a lot), how many other insurance companies are out there making money hand over fist?
I’m just wondering if, in a few years when insurance companies are still raising premiums and still denying dying people care that people are still going to act like this is all it takes.
I’m not attempting to know anything about him. The person I talked to said that he stopped a mass murderer. He didn’t because the mass murderer is UHC. He cut the toenail off a mass murderer and UHC is still around and doing exactly what they had been doing.
“Maybe possibly the serial killer will be stopped if we just make people aware they exist” is nonsense.
And I have no idea how people can live in a capitalist system all of their lives and not understand that everyone in a corporation is expendable, from top to bottom.
This has nothing to do with his motivations and everything to do with all the people thinking that somehow if enough CEOs are murdered, the Republican-dominated government will embrace socialism. It’s ridiculous.
The person I talked to said that he stopped a mass murderer. He didn’t because the mass murderer is UHC.
Corporations are not people, as much as the GOP would love us to pretend they are.|
Corporations act as the people in charge of them choose to act. So, the culpability lies with the executives. And, since the CEO was engaged in giving orders to murder people, Luigi stopped one mass murderer.
That doesn’t mean they are all gone, and mass murder is once and for all stopped. Its a long task to finish.
He didn’t though. UHC is still in operation along with the rest of the for-profit healthcare system. If anything, UHC has gotten even worse based on recent stories.
I wish he had done that, I do. I sympathize with why he did it.
But no matter how much people want this to be the case, you cannot assassinate your way out of capitalism. You simply can’t.
He got rid of ONE mass murderer. The problem is, we stopped him [Luigi] from completing his mission.
I would agree in the sense that Labor affects capitalism more than attrition. The machine can always replace a meatbag here and there, but something like a strike, or a mass payment freeze is much harder as that hits the bottom line.
Mobilizing the amount of people required though in today’s world would take something BIG to break through the constant noise and call people to action.
That’s still one mass murderer down despite many more left to go.
This is such a silly take… This is like saying killing a Nazi officer in World War 2 does zero good.
Sure, the Nazi’s could use the death of their officer to spin up propaganda, and do terrible things. But a dead Nazi is a dead Nazi.
In this case, a previously untouchable, evil elite was cut down on the public stage. He was an evil man that hid behind success at all costs as a vehicle to praise and validation… And some random nobody stood up and said “no, I don’t respect your success, you’re evil.” and shot him.
This isn’t how capitalism ends, it’s how justice and the end of invulnerable elites begins. This is how we end one of the most destructive societal values America still holds. Not with bullets, but with open, brutal contempt for those that reap rewards off the suffering of others.
I need you to take a step back and realise in that comment you’re calling for open warfare in the USA against Republicans and independents.
If the Healthcare CEO is a nazi officer then the federal government is high command and the voters are the grunts.
You’re saving 0 lives with a civil war. Thats just begging for the start of World War 3.
Ok? I fail to see the issue, since they have already declared war on the working class.
look at you lefty, calling everyone you don’t like a Nazi again. don’t you know this is why people become Nazis? just because he was filling the trains to the death camps doesn’t make him a bad person, in fact he most likely grew up on a farm, so he’s actually a working class hero.
Poe’s Law, some people actually believe what you’re saying.
/s exists for a reason on the internet, where toneless text reigns supreme.
Not with that attitude.
Yes he did. He stopped ONE mass murderer. On to the next….
No. He did not. He stopped someone helping to facilitate that murder who was easily replaced and the murder continued unabated, if not gotten worse.
Yet again, I sympathize with him. I wish this was anywhere near enough. People seem to think this will be the end of capitalist medicine and they will be waiting for that end to happen for a very long time under Trump.
Why people have the idea that Republicans are going to be like, “oh, you’re killing CEOs? We better give everyone free healthcare!” I don’t know. That does not jibe with the entire history of them and their policies. What they do is circle the wagons and double down. That should be obvious by now.
If you’re attempting to know what Mangione’s intention was, the actual result is irrelevant. And what’s the probability that Mangione’s goal was the complete eradication of the capitalist system, or even causing UHC to shut down? Using propaganda of the deed to raise awareness that might lead to public pressure and/or regulatory chance, maybe.
Didn’t their stock value drop by tens of billions? I would say that’s something, awareness at the very least. But it’s just a beginning. Certainly his Intent was to prevent mass murder.
If their stocks drop they can still use the difference in buy and sale values to deduct taxable income, meaning it will always be worth roughly 37% to the CEOs even if it becomes near worthless.
Plus they can just buy it back and wait for a rebound if they want to. It doesnt affect their normal operation.
They probably loaned their own stocks out to short sell and made profits.
I agree. I think that was his intent. I just don’t think it was successful. Even if UHC loses value (and the value it lost was actually negligible compared to its revenue even though it sounds like a lot), how many other insurance companies are out there making money hand over fist?
I’m just wondering if, in a few years when insurance companies are still raising premiums and still denying dying people care that people are still going to act like this is all it takes.
I’m not attempting to know anything about him. The person I talked to said that he stopped a mass murderer. He didn’t because the mass murderer is UHC. He cut the toenail off a mass murderer and UHC is still around and doing exactly what they had been doing.
“Maybe possibly the serial killer will be stopped if we just make people aware they exist” is nonsense.
And I have no idea how people can live in a capitalist system all of their lives and not understand that everyone in a corporation is expendable, from top to bottom.
This has nothing to do with his motivations and everything to do with all the people thinking that somehow if enough CEOs are murdered, the Republican-dominated government will embrace socialism. It’s ridiculous.
Corporations are not people, as much as the GOP would love us to pretend they are.|
Corporations act as the people in charge of them choose to act. So, the culpability lies with the executives. And, since the CEO was engaged in giving orders to murder people, Luigi stopped one mass murderer.
That doesn’t mean they are all gone, and mass murder is once and for all stopped. Its a long task to finish.