Luigi Mangione, who is charged with first-degree murder in the ambush killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, made the comments on a website set up by his defense.
If people find that to be a problem, then they need to get the law changed
My brother in Christ, the system meant to hold up and enable the people to shape those laws does. not. work. That’s the whole god damn point.
You might also want to look at how harmful systems usually get into power (peaceful), and how people are usually able to get rid of them if the perpetrators of said harmful system aren’t willing to give away power. Historically this was not achieved through talking nicely or resorting to the very rules of said harmful system.
Given a working democratic system that ensures people’s well-being, mass meat production can be changed peacefully through civil discussions and political participation. However this whole thing with Luigi is about the existence of said well-being and system itself. People are suffering and democracy failed them. What’s left is everyone’s own ethical compass and unspoken societal moral rules. That’s what you’re arguing with, and why Luigi is seen by many as Folk hero. And why people will get increasingly pissed about you and call you a bootlicker, as you argue as if there’s still a democracy even though for many there’s only a boot stomping on all of us.
Arguing with democratic processes if there’s no democracy to speak of anymore (or a majority of people stopped believing in it - even worse!) won’t get you anywhere.
I do get it. I’ve read this argument formulated in many different ways, I’m completely familiar with it. Roughly: the system’s broken, there’s nothing left to be done except burn it all down. I don’t agree. That’s all.
Here’s what I feel (brace yourself). Someone who makes such an argument in 2025 America is like a spoiled child who doesn’t understand how lucky they are. If we were talking about “the system” in Stalinist Russia, or today’s Venezuela, or Georgia, or China, I might have some sympathy. But you’re in America. Your country is still a democracy, just about, with courts and a ton of functioning representative institutions. You didn’t build all but your ancestors did and they sweated blood to get there. Your politicians are scared of you, not the other way round like in many less fortunate countries. You have a ton of options to change things without resorting to literal murder. It just won’t be easy and it won’t happen overnight, because you’ll have to deal with people who disagree with you, who don’t share your values. That’s the point of democracy. But you don’t want to have to do all that boring sh** cos it takes time and effort and other people’s priorities are irrelevant and you want results now. That’s what I feel about your argument.
What I think about it is that you should put all your obvious energy to better uses than promoting murder online. Because, believe it or not, I do actually want the same thing as everyone else here.
I’m german, but anyway. You’re entitled to your opinion, even though it’s pretty much evident it’s nonsense in regards to the current situation in the US. I do hope to be completely wrong about this one in the long run, however right now anyone who isn’t a christian white heterosexual cis male has to resist or even outright fear for their life.
So yeah, I think you can be pretty happy people will just be angry at you online with your opinion given many are forced into fighting and resistance against the system you’re more or less representing in the context of this discussion. Better toughen up.
Seems I only score 3/5 on the intersectional privilege quota. Time to change my innermost convictions! I think you’re over-dramatizing the situation - more German sang-froid needed. Murder is wrong and America’s inability to get itself universal healthcare is not going to be fixed by introducing violence into politics.
My brother in Christ, the system meant to hold up and enable the people to shape those laws does. not. work. That’s the whole god damn point. You might also want to look at how harmful systems usually get into power (peaceful), and how people are usually able to get rid of them if the perpetrators of said harmful system aren’t willing to give away power. Historically this was not achieved through talking nicely or resorting to the very rules of said harmful system. Given a working democratic system that ensures people’s well-being, mass meat production can be changed peacefully through civil discussions and political participation. However this whole thing with Luigi is about the existence of said well-being and system itself. People are suffering and democracy failed them. What’s left is everyone’s own ethical compass and unspoken societal moral rules. That’s what you’re arguing with, and why Luigi is seen by many as Folk hero. And why people will get increasingly pissed about you and call you a bootlicker, as you argue as if there’s still a democracy even though for many there’s only a boot stomping on all of us.
Arguing with democratic processes if there’s no democracy to speak of anymore (or a majority of people stopped believing in it - even worse!) won’t get you anywhere.
I do get it. I’ve read this argument formulated in many different ways, I’m completely familiar with it. Roughly: the system’s broken, there’s nothing left to be done except burn it all down. I don’t agree. That’s all.
Here’s what I feel (brace yourself). Someone who makes such an argument in 2025 America is like a spoiled child who doesn’t understand how lucky they are. If we were talking about “the system” in Stalinist Russia, or today’s Venezuela, or Georgia, or China, I might have some sympathy. But you’re in America. Your country is still a democracy, just about, with courts and a ton of functioning representative institutions. You didn’t build all but your ancestors did and they sweated blood to get there. Your politicians are scared of you, not the other way round like in many less fortunate countries. You have a ton of options to change things without resorting to literal murder. It just won’t be easy and it won’t happen overnight, because you’ll have to deal with people who disagree with you, who don’t share your values. That’s the point of democracy. But you don’t want to have to do all that boring sh** cos it takes time and effort and other people’s priorities are irrelevant and you want results now. That’s what I feel about your argument.
What I think about it is that you should put all your obvious energy to better uses than promoting murder online. Because, believe it or not, I do actually want the same thing as everyone else here.
I’m german, but anyway. You’re entitled to your opinion, even though it’s pretty much evident it’s nonsense in regards to the current situation in the US. I do hope to be completely wrong about this one in the long run, however right now anyone who isn’t a christian white heterosexual cis male has to resist or even outright fear for their life.
So yeah, I think you can be pretty happy people will just be angry at you online with your opinion given many are forced into fighting and resistance against the system you’re more or less representing in the context of this discussion. Better toughen up.
Seems I only score 3/5 on the intersectional privilege quota. Time to change my innermost convictions! I think you’re over-dramatizing the situation - more German sang-froid needed. Murder is wrong and America’s inability to get itself universal healthcare is not going to be fixed by introducing violence into politics.
Okay, I’m fed up with you. If you’re this naive just go to hell.
It’s funny the way text communication can drive people crazy like this.