Every landline provider seems to be pivoting to VoIP now.
Lol I’m realizing how young I am and I feel like I’m too young to be here. I never had the internet through a phone line, its all coax cables.
(I’m like 20-25)
You are so old!
I’m like 5 years old (trust me bro)
You make good comments, I’ve seen you around. Take it from a 41 year old if you want, you deserve to be here. You’re more thoughtful than the average person your age and that will only improve once your brain gets finished cooking 😉
Think of it like a quick glance back in time. This is what the whole internet used to be like, and it won’t last here either.
The switchover for cellular was 3G (HSPA) > 4G (LTE).
Data transmission over 3G is encapsulated over the audio channels, and pure LTE is VoIP over data channels. Most networks relied on both during the transition, and it’s the reason many ‘4G’ capable handsets were deprecated when 3G networks were shut down, as they never fully implemented VoIP for audio calls.
Incidentally, DOCSIS (v1.0 - 3.0) downstream channels are encapsulated within MPEG2 frames.
Yes, and the underlying technology for internet voice traffic is called SIP. It’s kind of a pain in the ass.
I want to use VoIP to dial into a BBS to play some legend of the red dragon.
VOIP
doesn’t have enough bandwidthis not alalog enough for useful dial upIt actually does, but only very slow, like 2400 baud or so.
Worst case you can do 150baud which is like 2 frequency keying or something.
It’s not a lack of bandwidth that typically breaks dialup over VoIP, it’s the jitter.
The only potentially legitimate use for modems over (Vo)IP are faxes, and the proper way to do that is with T.38.
You used to ignore the phone to browse the internet on a computer.
Now you ignore the computer to browse the internet on your phone.
If you are a peasant. Why would you want to look at the world through a keyhole, when you can look at the world through a large picture window?
99% of all my internet activity is done through a computer.
I also prefer a desktop, but I’m not an elitist and I recognize the majority of people, especially younger people, consume a significant amount (if not a majority) of content on their phones.
Now you ignore the computer to browse the internet on your phone.
I am so impressed about the people that still mainly browse the Internet using a PC… But I am more impressed that people don’t have a PC in their dwelling…
Maybe it is so millennial from my part, but in the house we still have a dedicated “PC room” with a printer that the whole family uses, of course our family browsing experience was almost exclusively done from said room years ago.
modem noises
I used to call support to see if the internet service was down when I couldn’t connect, now I browse to a status page to see if the phone service is down, and I work in tech support.
sad old man noises
I’m still waiting for IPoV but I guess no one ever invented it.
Isn’t that basically just a modem?
Well my first modem was. It was very slow and you used it by dialing the phone yourself and placing the receiver on the modem. This is called an acoustic coupler.
Later modems changed this by connecting directly to the outlet. This allowed for digital signals to be sent directly over the copper wires. This allows for much more bandwidth compared to just bleeping and blooping using audio. There were also in between variants which still used pure audio signals, but still connected directly to the outlet to improve signal quality.
My computer back then also had a tape deck and I would record data using the tape deck. This was also a pure audio based signal. So in theory you could use a regular old tape deck with regular old tapes. However I had a specialized tape deck, specifically made for the computer and special “data” tapes. Not sure if they actually worked better, but I had them so I used them.
Yes both my back and knees hurt.
Technically not a voice. It was using a speaker to create sounds a human voice system cannot. Maybe a well-trained human could do DTMF but I think it would take two (DT stands for dual-tone).
https://jontic.com/two-ais-realize-theyre-talking-to-each-other-and-switch-to-a-secret-language/
Prior to the two AIs switching languages, this was two machines using “voice” to convey data.
Technically, they weren’t using “Internet Protocol” over that voice link.
I used to know a girl who was DTF.
If you can hum and whistle at the same time you might have a chance.
Now I really want to see someone try to make a multi-channel track using only their voice that a modem can recognize as data.
Modem sounds are not a voice. I wonder how efficient digital communication over sounds that can be made with the human vocal system could get, and what it would sound like.
https://jontic.com/two-ais-realize-theyre-talking-to-each-other-and-switch-to-a-secret-language/
Technically, it’s not internet protocol over voice, but the two AIs are initially using voice to convey (meta) data.
Flight of the Conchords already did it. Zero zero zero zero zero zero one. Zero zero zero zero zero zero one.
Just gotta shout dialup noises.
In a sense, that’s what phreaking was, if a toy whistle from a breakfast cereal box counts.
I’ve only seen VOIP provided by cell providers if both parties are on wifi when making the call. I’d like that same kind of call clarity over the regular phone network. I can barely understand people over the shitty normal phone network, but VOIP sounds like they’re in the room with me, and that’s why I prefer texting. Not because of my anxiety (that’s only triggered by being around a large number of people physically).
I work for a mid size telco. VoIP has been the predominate method for voice communications going on 10+ years it was just behind the scenes.
Messages used to be carried by passenger pigeon. Then they didn’t need them anymore and they went extinct. So either the terminator or the matrix is our future.
We do have a defined standard to send IP packets with avian carriers. It was even adapted for IPv6.
According to Wikipedia:
IPoAC has been successfully implemented, but for only nine packets of data, with a packet loss ratio of 55% (due to operator error), and a response time ranging from 3,000 seconds (50 min) to over 6,000 seconds (100 min). Thus, this technology suffers from extremely high latency.
On 28 April 2001, IPoAC was implemented by the Bergen Linux user group, under the name CPIP (for Carrier Pigeon Internet Protocol). They sent nine packets over a distance of approximately 5 km (3 mi), each carried by an individual pigeon and containing one ping (ICMP echo request), and received four responses.
Script started on Sat Apr 28 11:24:09 2001 $ /sbin/ifconfig tun0 tun0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:10.0.3.2 P-t-P:10.0.3.1 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:150 Metric:1 RX packets:1 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 RX bytes:88 (88.0 b) TX bytes:168 (168.0 b) $ ping -c 9 -i 900 10.0.3.1 PING 10.0.3.1 (10.0.3.1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=6165731.1 ms 64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=3211900.8 ms 64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=5124922.8 ms 64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=6388671.9 ms --- 10.0.3.1 ping statistics --- 9 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 55% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 3211900.8/5222806.6/6388671.9 ms Script done on Sat Apr 28 14:14:28 2001As I recall, that demonstration was non-standard as they did not use the specified duct tape to attach the datagram to the carriers’ legs.
Error: Communication failed… We can’t get the message off the messenger’s legs. 😂
