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      Interesting how tankies keep saying that the west is forcing Ukraine to keep fighting. But when NATO suggests they give some land to Russia to stop the war, the Ukrainians get offended and want to keep fighting. 🤔

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        Interesting how dronies keep saying that the east is forcing Donbas to keep fighting. But when Russia suggests they give some land to Ukraine to stop the war, Donbas gets offended and want to keep fighting. smuglord

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          But when Russia suggests they give some land to Ukraine to stop the war, Donbas gets offended and want to keep fighting.

          LOL When did that happen tankie? Russia is the one that propped up the separatist movement in the Donbas in the first place.

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            You acknowledge that people have a right to defend themselves, and be supplied weapons to that effect. Your usage of “propped up” also suggests you acknowledge that there were legitimate separatist sentiments in Ukraine in 2014. Why do your principles of armed self determination break down when applied to Donbas? Seems that “tankie” is your word for “someone that believes in self determination”.

            When did that happen tankie?

            Minsk 2, proposed by Russia, outlines that control of the border should be restored to Ukraine, and that Donbas should be reintegrated democratically back into Ukraine with a level of federalization to protect it from future lapses in Ukrainian democracy.

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              with a level of federalization to protect it from future lapses in Ukrainian democracy.

              With a puppet government, you mean.

              Just like the “free” elections that they lead in an occupied territory.

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                Ah yes, “free” as opposed to »free« Ukrainian elections.

                In free, western Ukrainian elections, the ruling party simply bans opposition parties that they don’t approve of and seizes their assets.

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                  Don’t change the subject with whatabouttisms tankie.

                  I can play that game too: Russia held elections at gunpoint in occupied territory. Do you also believe that the elections the US held in Afghanistan and Iraq were free? Or does that only apply to countries that you don’t like?