Palestinian officials are accusing Israeli forces of carrying out “execution-style” killings in Gaza after the discovery of a mass grave containing at least 30 decomposing bodies. Some of the victims were blindfolded with their hands tied behind their backs with zip ties. The bodies were found on the grounds of a school in Beit Lahia. Al Jazeera spoke to one man who helped discover the bodies. Palestinian man: “Inside the schoolyard, we were shocked to find the dead bodies. Those are Palestinian civilians, blindfolded and handcuffed at the back. The dead bodies were kept inside black plastic bags.” The discovery of the mass grave comes as the death toll in Gaza has topped 27,000. At least another 66,000 have been injured. The group Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor is now estimating that more than 25,000 Palestinian children have lost one or both parents in Gaza over the past four months.

More video and eyewitness info on Al Jazeera so far

Also reported on Common Dreams and Middle East Eye.

I haven’t found any reports of any independent investigations yet, hopefully they are underway

  • WaxedWookie@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    10 months ago

    A question for the genocide deniers that’ll pop into this thread to spout their monstrous nonsense…

    Can you point to a way in which the actions, policies, or rhetoric of the Israeli government meaningfully differs from those of Novemberpogrome-era (Krystalnacht-era) Nazi Germany?

    This isn’t pointed at any individual, so I’m not even putting you on the spot - this is an opportunity for you to bring your best answers.

    • okamiueru@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      10 months ago

      Can you point to a way in which the actions, policies, or rhetoric of the Israeli government meaningfully differs from those of Novemberpogrome-era (Krystalnacht-era) Nazi Germany?

      They spoke German.

    • InfiniteGlitch@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      10 months ago

      I have realized a while ago that there’s no point in arguing or discussing with genocide-deniers, pro-Israel and pro-zionists.

      They will write the most delusional things, deny every evidence there’s and come up with the most delusional things to defend the Israeli-Government.

      • WaxedWookie@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        10 months ago

        I think they’re delusional enough that there’s value in giving them the space to lay that delusion out for all to see. They’re one of the best arguments against themselves.

    • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Taking everything here as fact no person would deny it. But misinformation and agendas are everywhere.

      Looking into the article:

      • comment of one civilian (not named)

      • witnesses decomposing bodies in an area of mass conflict

      • potentially/probably bound and/or gagged

      • assumed to be civilians

      • instantly placed blame on one group they are heavily biased against

      • blaming Israel is nearly half the article

      No investigation on who they are, how they were killed, who killed them or collaborated from multiple sources. These could be innocent Palestine civilians, executed Israeli hostages, executed POW from either side, soldiers killed in conflict and dumped in one spot with torn clothes, soldiers tied up to transport easier.

      Democracynow.org is a heavily left leaning publication (could be irrelevantbut not balanced), cant find anything on accuracy, owned by non profits. Not published by a well known and accurate source. Assigned blame on Israel without any investigation (this is the big red flag for me).

      This is a very vague article, with little backing and authority behind it. If it is true, it should absolutely be investigated and considered as a crime against humanity - but this looks like a piece with poor reporting and a heavy agenda behind it.

      And before anyone calls me a genocide denier - take a step back and look at who writes the articles you read and what their agenda is. This conflict has soo much propaganda from both sides and uninformed and uneducated opinions it horrendous. My list of what is missing is longer than the article.

      • WaxedWookie@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        10 months ago

        Democracy Now have a left-wing bias, but are a factual source. . That said, I’m not here to defend them - nor do I have much interest in this particular article or event.

        I was asking about the broader situation, action, policy and rhetoric. My views are based more on the history of the situation, the casualty counts, reporting from the likes of AP and Reuters, UN oversight, and significantly, the words of the Israeli leadership themselves. If nothing else, when a political leader tells you they want to exterminate a group they’ve been keeping in brutal conditions, then kills tens of thousands of them, I tend to believe them.

        I’m not going to call you a genocide denier, but I will ask you - are you denying the genocide, and if so, on what grounds. If you have any thoughts on the differentiation from the Nazis of that era, I’d like to hear those too.

        • zerog_bandit@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          10 months ago

          I don’t deny that a genocide was attempted on 10/7. I also believe that Israel has the right to ensure it’s security, especially if the Palestinian public refuses to do so themselves. You might say “But Palestinians have no responsibility to do so” and you’d be wrong. 80 years of terrorism against the Israeli people means that Palestinians have a responsibility to stop the violence.

          Until they do, Israel must take actions to defend itself. If you have suggestions for how this should be done, I’m all ears.

              • bamboo@lemm.eeEnglish
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                10 months ago

                Yeah, that’s a list of Palestinians attacking invaders/colonizers in Palestine. Palestinians defending themselves in Palestine is unambiguously self defense. The tactics aren’t preferable, but I’m in no position to tell any person suffering under a brutal occupation that their fight for self determination is in some way invalid.

                • zerog_bandit@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  10 months ago

                  Cool, you say that Israel is colonizers and Palestine is defending themselves.

                  I’ll say that Gazans are terrorists and Israel is ensuring it’s security. Israelis defending themselves after an invasion of their country is unambiguously self-defense. Their tactics aren’t preferable, but I’m in no position to tell someone who is under attack how to defend themselves.

                  Unfortunately none of this solves problems for actual civilians in the conflict.

          • jordanlund@lemmy.worldMEnglish
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            10 months ago

            Here’s the problem… For the past several decades or so, Israel has blockaded Gaza and the West Bank from getting any kind of support from the outside.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

            They don’t have the material or the personnel to do ANYTHING about the violence being enacted against the Israelis and that’s BY THE DESIGN of the Israelis.

            So what do you expect the Palestinians to do? Israeli policies have been crushing them for decades, they don’t have the capacity to throw out Hamas because Israel actively prevents them from having the capacity. Sooo? Obtain weapons illegally? Now in the eyes of Israel they ARE Hamas and they get attacked too.

          • WaxedWookie@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            10 months ago

            TL:DR: Israel isn’t defending itself by committing a genocide against a population they’ve subjugated.

            There are a series of issues with this…

            • Genocide isn’t an act of defence - it’s an attempt to completely exterminate a group of people, and is the greatest act of aggression a group could possibly commit.

            • The response we’re seeing is in no way proportionate, and causing a completely unacceptable level of civilian casualties (10k+ children alone in response to 1,200 total killed according to Israeli counts).

            • Israel have killed more Palestinians than the total number of Hamas members in existence with zero indication of progress, and no sign of stopping.

            • Israel have maintained Palestine in conditions described by the UN as an open air concentration camp, and have placed severe apartheid restrictions on Palestinians for years.

            • Israel have killed orders of magnitude more Palestinians than Hamas have killed Israelis.

            • Israel funded the rise of Hamas (who were no less violent then) over the secular moderates - as confirmed by both IDF leadership at the time she Arafat. I see no reason for them to do this other than to manufacture pretext for the genocide while maintaining US support.

            • Palestinians seem to have a lot more to “defend themselves” against - between the numbers killed and displaced and the very restrictive living conditions they’re subjected to.

            • Israeli leadership have said pretty plainly and repeatedly that they intend to exterminate Palestinians - if all Palestinians were to lay down arms and submit to the apartheid conditions, movement restrictions, and conditions we’ve seen over the past decade, the well funded nuclear power with modern military simply won’t stop.

            What makes Israel’s actions self-defence while Hamas’s lesser actions are not?

    • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      10 months ago

      With how often we spar, I feel it’s worth mentioning that I fully agree with you here. There’s enough substantial evidence. This is horrific.

      Between this and the IDF disguising itself as civilians and doctors to kill targets in a hospital, it’s fairly clear that the organization needs to completely disband as part of any peace agreement.

    • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Looked into the presenter of this video (Middle East Eye)

      • heavy Palestine bias

      • owners not known

      • 0 Israeli perspective

      • (edit after chatting with poster - two week old video edited for this event)

      I’ve gone through the last 8 hours of Al Jazeera links - no mention of this article. The review from the last 24 hours does not mention this link. Do you have an Al Jazeera, BBC, or AP link to this video, because right now it looks fabricated with the AJ logo.

      The AJ link you posted is a great article- bodies found, likely bound and executed, investigating ongoing, Palestine blames Israel.

      • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        10 months ago

        I checked and it seems like they reposed a 2 weeks old AJ video cutting out some of their footage.

        https://youtu.be/E4PtbgpBu9E

        So it’s less recent than I thought, but still relevant. First witness statements of mass IDF executions were ~2 months ago iirc (don’t quote me on that I might be 2 weeks off)

        Mee is a respectable news source. One sided for sure but they’re not making stuff up.

        Israel doesn’t get covered much on the Arab side, they’re afraid to quote lies from the IDF and tarnish their reputation of factually being factual. Unlike mostly western propaganda outlets like NYT which will happily verbatim quote every lie the IDF tells them even when it’s already debunked. 40 beheaded hospital tunnels. You know the drill.

        • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          10 months ago

          Can I ask you to update your original comment saying this video was made before this article came out, related to a different event at an unknown time, and has been edited?

          I don’t know the name of the logical mistake, but saying they don’t report Israel lies is a falicy. They don’t need to state this is true, they need to factually state this is the viewpoint of the Israeli government, this is their response to this attack. Its not their job to tell us who is right and not, its their job to state both sides of the arguements and report on facts.

            • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              10 months ago

              Nope - accurate reporting does. Like I wouldn’t trust hamas to comment on Israel - its the point of independent journalism to give both sides, not take sides.

              The thing I’ve learned most over this conflict is how much of a godsend BBC is - ban emotive language, report both sides, only send out evidence that is backed.

              Thanks for the update as well. I’m trying to not take sides but can only do it when information is out there.

                • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  10 months ago

                  God, Middle East Eye is worse - they actively provide a biased arguement and have provided 0 Israel viewpoint and refuse to discuss who owns it. Their reviews discuss how they use manipulative language to push viewpoints and pass over any information counter to their agenda.

                  Had a look at the clip (well, first minute). Does this sound like a balanced view point to you.

                  • YouTuber

                  • listed outrage and disgusted before showing the clip i.e told you how to react

                  • mentioned issues with screen recording from BBC (nothing to do with the the clip, just there so you already question them)

                  • was already at an rally with this viewpoint before the information came up.

                  • completely loaded with emotive words and reactions

                  Vs BBC clip

                  • names, places

                  • fact (visited, rally, support, Hamas designated terrorist organization)

                  • clear, non emotive language.

                  • the only issue is calling it pro Hamas, which is an understandable conclusion as Hamas is the Palestine government. Who is responsiblefor the welfare of Palestine citizens - their government. Its no different than calling supporting American military ops pro-Biden.

                  If you go up to my eairler comment MEE is horrific fir accuracy and bias