*U.S. Military delivers meals to Palestinians.*
*IDF shoots Palestinians leaving with their meals using U.S.-delivered weapons.*
America: “We’re helping!”
I read America’s voice as Ralph Wigum. Which feels about right given our braindead approach to this war.
There’s part of WW2 I didn’t know about until I visited the Holocaust memorial/museum in DC–that Germany tried to deport the Jewish people first, which led to the US Congress voting against offering refuge to 20,000 Jewish children that could have been sent to the US. This is just one example of shit I wished I would have learned in school.
That action of denying asylum during WW2 came to mind immediately when I think about how poor our track record continues to stand when it comes to offering enough refuge to people blatantly (US Afghanistan exit), or via back-channels (Gaza), affected by our foreign policy choices.
The US could at any point have assisted with getting aid into Gaza over land. All they’d need to do is tell Israel to back off and lift their blockade.
Instead this gives a US base in Gaza. Obviously we are going to take this option.
All they needed to do is tell Israel
The feds can’t force Texas to stop shooting migrants you think they can force Israel to stop doing anything they’re set on?
I mean the CIA can kill U.S citizens if needed but I laugh that you think the U.S government can’t mobilize when enough motivations appear.
you think the U.S government can’t mobilize when enough motivations appear
Can you point to the part where I put forward that argument?
I’d imagine holding some funds back may be an effective deterrent.
You think they’ve actually tried? Given that they’re still supplying weapons to them?
Look, I’ll put it this way: there is no upside to the US in any of this.
Ok, let’s run the scenario: the US administration without approval from congress pulls some kind of magic trick and blocks weapon sales to Israel tonight.
What series of events do you think would unfold?
How would local politics unfold in the US, in Israel, in Palestine and in each of the surrounding countries?
Is peace now nearer? A two state solution closer?
Or would Israel, now that the bandaid has been pulled and no further threat remains, would decide that nothing will stop them, that they are on their own and they might as well just finish the job thoroughly?
Would Hamas declare that victory is near without the US involvement and redouble their efforts? Would Israel decide they need to find more reliable partners and turn to China? Or Russia? What would China do? Russia? Iran? Jordan? Egypt? Saudi Arabia?
Do you not think the US would have been much better off geopolitically for this thing to have gone away 6 decades ago? Why have they been trying with summit after summit?
This conflict has been sustained over the decades from different political actors for different reasons, some of them petty and pathetic, some religious and some geopolitical.
There are plenty of hungry sharks around ready to take their pound of flesh and it’s not to help the Palestinians - we know the neighbours don’t give a shit about them (except rhetorically) by the way they treat refugees within their own borders
There’s no magic button to press to solve it.
This is like the 3 body problem, but really it’s 20 moving celestial bodies.
I don’t care about the weapons. Israel obviously doesn’t need more weapons to finish their genocide.
It’s just pretty obvious that you don’t make a real effort to prevent a state completing it’s genocide before you stop supplying them with arms.
Great, but, after that - is there a realistic next day scenario that doesn’t hurt Palestinians more? If so, what is it?
You’re right there’s absolutely no solution remotely possible, and that justifies the complete lack of even trying anything spicier than “Bibi pls”
You’re right there’s absolutely no solution remotely possible, and that justifies the complete lack of even trying anything spicier than “Bibi pls”
Come on, that’s a bit weak - is strawmanning the best you can do?
We could have also put our foot down and refused to give Israel any more weapons but nah.
IDF might identify it as a Hamas military outpost?
I mean, at least according to the article, the opposite
Let me help you:
the pier could become a target for Hamas or other Iranian-backed proxy groups in Gaza or elsewhere that still have mortar, rockets, drones and other ways to harass or attack the ship.
It also could lead to stampedes for the aid. Twelve people drowned off Gaza’s northern coast trying to retrieve food from the Mediterranean Sea on March 26, 2024.
thanks, didn’t really need help.
You missed my point. The article is sooo eager to point out that Hamas could attack, they’re forgetting that the IDF could as well. And in more pointed fact, of all the attacks on aid convoys… and aid camps and anything associated with relief… it’s been IDF. including the “stampede” that was caused by Israeli tanks opening fire and running over civilians. details.
Or maybe realise that any American ship parked in close proximity becomes vulnerable.
Or that unlike the propaganda that’s been shoved down your throat, IDF aren’t the only ones getting civilians killed, blocking aid and committing war crime. US isn’t afraid of IDF, so maybe its actually possible to have an article that tells more than one side instead of more whataboutism?
There’s a small problem with your assertion
I can find no news articles saying that Hamas attacked an aid convoy, or refugee camp. Or (intentionally) bombed a hospital.
Not even Israeli propagandists are claiming that. Probably, because they’re too busy trying to excuse the IDF bombing UNRWA stations, attacking aid convoys and bombing the absolute fuck out of everything in Gaza.
So while you’re screaming BoThSiDeS, ask yourself who’s the one screaming propaganda? Yes, Hamas are terrorists, and yes they’ve killed civilians.
That does not justify a genocidal campaign to wipe out Palestinians, the vast majority of whom were not and are not Hamas. Based on what I have seen, all I can say is, in terms of a direct military threat to the port; the IDF features much, much more strongly than Hamas or Houthis.
Sure, there’s a risk of stampedes and riots. Desperate people do desparate things. But an article ignoring the one side that is intentionally attacking relief and aid infrastructure, camps and convoys… is itself propaganda.
I can find no news articles saying that Hamas attacked an aid convoy, or refugee camp. Or (intentionally) bombed a hospital.
Attacked a foreign country to provoke a war, smuggle arms in aid convoys, and intentionally hide behind civilians, including in hospitals.
I’ll agree there’s an ongoing atrocity that we need to help stop, but it’s just foolish to claim that Biden controls the Israeli government or that the Israeli army is doing this “because evil”. Yea Hamas started it, yes Hamas is the reason the fight is in the middle of civilians, yes both sides are horrible, and yes this needs to stop
ICJ report S64. Wish to state that same report argues against genocide in sections 22, 23, 24, including Israeli responses to SA prior to the report being ignored, along with that I am deliberately listing sections that support my arguement (because against what most think it is still a discussion).
I will also concede that I thought that report was also where I read about aid convoys being stolen, I will need to find that report as I was incorrect.
Saying that, i don’t think Israel would be stupid enough to engage civilians in clear view of American sailors, or attack a warship - don’t fuck with America’s boats.
Saying that, i don’t think Israel would be stupid enough to engage civilians in clear view of American sailors, or attack a warship - don’t fuck with America’s boats.
they’ve done it before and gotten away with it. Regardless, … FAFO applies to any militants involved- IDF, Hamas. Houthis. the IDF is only the most likely to fuck around as they have the most to lose. (Like, you know. failing in it’s genocide.)
as for the ICJ, as far as I’m aware, they’re still investigating, and have really only issued directives like “Don’t be an asshole now.” Directives which Israel generally ignores. for example, the march 28 findings directing, you know, not halt or obstruct aid convoys. which they’re blatantly ignoring.
Maybe let the aid trucks go in?
Fuck Israel.
Yes, just what the world needs. More US military bases on foreign soil!
Glad aid will finally get in. But all of this could have been done half a YEAR ago by just letting trucks in. Gaza is not a remote Pacific island nation with no way in. They are a land strip with land borders. One with a nation they the US has supposedly the best parternship in the world with. The others the US has relations, albeit not as great, but they are supportive to let aid in as well.
The US and Israel are complicit in the genocide and famine. They are functionally one government now and each deserves the totality of blame of the other.
Pay no attention to the millions of starving children…
Biden couldn’t even wait for congress to ban aid to Gaza, he had to go around them and do it by executive order so the forced famine could get started.
Fuck any politicians who take AIPAC money to support a genocide.
UNWRA losing funding is catastrophic, they were one of the only functioning aid groups in Gaza and the Biden administrator just tossed them in the dumpster as soon as Israel made a lazy, unsourced claim about a couple of employees who supposedly had connections to Hamas (that UNWRA immediately fired after the baseless accusations were made anyways).
It’s too bad genocide Joe can’t get it through his head that he is directly enabling mass murder. I love when he airdropped supplies into Gaza, I can’t imagine a more humiliating way to avoid the question of why an ally of the US won’t let the US deliver aid to an ongoing genocide with ….trucks …….on pre-existing roads……
Why did you have to airdrop the aid into Gaza, Biden? Who is stopping you from loading up a bunch of cheap, normal trucks and just driving them into Gaza to directly deliver aid? Why won’t you do anything about the people who are forcing you to deliver aid to a mass starvation event via airdrops?
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Rather than accept Lazzarini’s assurances or offer to await the findings of the independent inquiry, the Biden administration quickly decided to temporarily pause funding for the agency, even though less than 0.1 percent of its employees in Gaza were accused of participating in the October 7 attack. In doing so, the administration imperiled the only organization capable of responding to the catastrophe caused by the Israeli assault: Scott Paul, a humanitarian policy expert at Oxfam, described the agency as the “backbone” of the response in Gaza and explained that up to 80 percent of aid to the area is dependent on it in some form. The organization has been feeding and sheltering more than 1 million people in Gaza.
That article gives a good overview since you seem to have missed it. I know there’s a lot going on, but this is important so it’s worth catching up on.
sigh the truth is exhaustingly awful
