• Shyfer@ttrpg.network
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    8 months ago

    Sorry, had a busy weekend lol. Anyway, where were we?

    I’m talking about proportional strike back. Israel has gone way beyond that, to the point that the north of Gaza isn’t even livable in anymore. They’ve killed tens of thousands of civilians, numerous hospitals, refugee camps, cultural centers, etc. There’s no infrastructure, no water, no power. People are starving to death and dying of thirst. It’s complete annihilation.

    Of course Hamas isn’t going to give the hostages back for a simple, temporary ceasefire. It’s their only leverage. It just leads to the same situation they were in before of slowly losing land and rights. They are not asking for absurd demands. They’re asking for their rights and land back. The countless protests by families of the hostages proves Bibi doesn’t care about them at all. They’re a good excuse to keep killing Palestinians, but that’s it. If anything, it’s just causing the deaths of more hostages.

    And your last paragraph suggests a very strange reading of history. Palestine has been defending themselves from settler colonialism and Israeli terrorist groups since before Israel was a country. Peaceful resistance hasn’t helped at all. The March for Return just got them a bunch of dead people, maiming, and blown off kneecaps. They’ve been asking for help from the international community for 70 years and Israel refuses to let them return to their homes or form any sort of state.

    They’ve been slowly losing due to Western propping up of this colonialist project. But people aren’t going to just lay down and let themselves lose everything their ancestors have worked for for generations. Of course they’re going to fight. They’re not throwing a temper tantrum, they’re trying to prevent themselves from going as extinct as the Native American, Australian aboriginal, or indigenous Canadians. Seeing that is just being realistic. You would do the same thing in their situation. So, if they want an actual solution, they can either complete their genocidal project, or try to negotiate for peace by sharing power and living space. Everyone who has a heart doesn’t want option #1.

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      Hamas is not asking for absurd demands? Until recently it was even in their constitution that they want to destroy Israel. They can not live with Israel, there is no way for them to accept that. They only know a holy flight. They teach their children to only know hate. That is why they invest everything into weapons, instead of building Palestine, they do not even have fresh water everywhere. Instead, they dig out UN water pipes to build more rockets. And they even use footage of that as propaganda, thinking that they look great doing that. It is a massive tragedy.

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        8 months ago

        I mean yes, obviously Hamas is bad. I just mean in this very specific case, they’ve been asking for things like a permanent ceasefire, Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, freedom of movement for Palestinians in Northern Gaza where they lived, and release of Palestinian hostages (who are often held without charge, and they’ve often asked for captured women and children, too, not just male Hamas fighters). Those things aren’t absurd.

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          8 months ago

          Yes, that is the point where Israel is doing bad stuff. No question, neither side is innocent here. Let’s see what happens when Hamas is wiped out. Perhaps with those cancerous radicals removed can Palestine finally flourish and not only focus on terrorism. I hope both sides will see this as a chance for a better future instead of more hatred.