I’d outlaw sauce bottles which make getting it all out harder, especially the ones which don’t have the opening at the bottom and make it impossible to put the bottle with the opening facing downwards.

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      It also leads to worse service. US dining is fuckin tedious. Every 5 minutes someone harasses you, doing the fake smile thing, etc

      In my country you just shout if you need something, or there’s just a bing-bong button on the table. they leave you alone unless you ask, and you pay only what’s on the bill

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        I do appreciate when a worker in a restaurant has a legitimate conversation and is social, if they can see when it’s appropriate and welcomed. And to add context, I’m not talking about the waiter hovering like you’re describing, I’m talking about something I’ve only ever seen from immigrant family restaurants where they’ve come from a culture where eating is still a social community activity, or possibly when a chef takes pleasure in knowing you’re enjoying their experience. The always transactional nature of eating in society has started to annoy me. But it’s very different to when someone is being paid to try and make your experience good, that’s inevitably plastic and coerced.

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      It’s a fair point that it can be racist and sexist. I’m sure the attractive get paid more. After all, strippers are the ultimate in tipped workers. They have to pay for the opportunity to work for tips.

      We do need to get over this “poor tipped workers”, though.

      There’s a reason why no tipping restaurants end up failing and returning to tips.

      It’s because you make much more in tips than you’d make otherwise.

      It’s like no one has ever worked for tips and honestly calculated what they made.

      I worked for tips in high school. I didn’t make that much money again until people started calling me doctor.

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        Yeah, you can’t have tipping and no tipping side by side. Customers will like the appearance of lower prices and many front house workers will make bank. I’ve worked back of house and front and worked twice as hard and actually used culinary skills in the back and made less than I did receiving tips in the front. I think that’s pretty messed up. The post was about making things illegal. I think most forms of tipping should be. That levels the playing field.

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        There’s a reason

        That article says the workers are unhappy with their $30 per hour because the restaurant is only open part-time so they’re not getting the hours they need to make a good wage. The restaurant plans to open full time though

        It doesn’t support your argument in any way whatsoever

        How do restaurants in every single other country survive then, according to your theory?

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          So what you’re saying is that they would get more money by being tipped?

          Because there is not a tipping culture in those countries, and they wouldn’t make more money from tips?

          I’m not sure why this is so hard to understand.

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            He’s saying the restaurant in the article needs to be open more, and asking how come restaurants in places where tipping is not the norm are doing just fine.

            Also, blaming things on “culture” is a handwaving non-argument. I am certain there are some systemic things that make tip-free restaurants work, that could be replicated in the US. Like, as the article describes, raising staff wages. And keeping the hours reasonable.

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        There’s a reason why no tipping restaurants end up failing and returning to tips.

        Yeah, we have 0 restaurants here in western Europe. It’s a bummer. Should have adopted tipping culture.

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          As there is no culture of tipping there, potential employees don’t have the same opportunity.

          In North America, wait staff have two options. Restaurants where they work for tips and restaurants where they don’t. Logically, they’ll choose the ones that pay more, which are invariably the ones that work for tips.

          This is why European wait staff make an average of 12 euros and North American wait staff make vastly more.

          I don’t recall a recent meal where I haven’t tipped more than that, and the staff will have several tables.

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            Wage overall are higher in the us, you can’t directly compare because you don’t have social srcurity, work security and number or other benefits.

            I never went to the us, but in canada where people tip there’s very few small restorants and they’re expensive in general. Compared to france, there’s no tipping and a shit ton of small restaurant where the food is easily 3x less than in canada.

            Also I think they were refering to the origins of tipping culture in the us, which was a way to continue slavery by not paying a wage to the black workers.