• Auzy@beehaw.org
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    18 days ago

    Not a single person is surprised.

    The reality is that Apple has been anti consumer and anti developer for 20 years. I was selling apple gear, and can practically pinpoint the moment they started screwing everyone

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        18 days ago

        They actually are.

        1. Android allows people to bypass their store as an example, and their APIs are a lot more permissive. It’s also a mostly open OS (except some parts)
        2. It doesn’t matter what you think about Google, remember, Apple gets paid millions / billions to make them the default search engine. So they’re at least as bad
        3. Remember Pebble? Apple abused their app store to kill them off
        4. Apple doesn’t treat their resellers particularly well.
        5. Microsoft bailed them out, and then they repaid them, but sh**talking them.
        6. They don’t treat developers particularly well either. Apple actively uses their monopoly to compete against other developers, and even screws subscription services
        7. Apple deceived customers to win business. I used to sell them, and their Mac Vs PC ads accomplished what they’d hoped. Every new customer walked in and thought Mac’s can’t get viruses and won’t crash. Here in Australia, they should have been sued
        8. You can even develop Android and Chrome apps without any Google hardware. Apple however, that’s not an option.
        9. Apple even forced developers to use their Apple ID thing.
        10. Apple doesn’t sell your details. However, it’s almost impossible to use their hardware without providing them, and they even forced their resellers to meet targets whilst actively competing against them (using the harvested details)

        They’re literally NOTHING alike. Apple literally treats everyone like crap, but sugar coats it. The only real bad thing you could say about Google is privacy related honestly (and the fact they keep killing their own projects).

        In fact, name any type of Apple user who they treat well?

        I use a Mac Studio, and I’d love to work at Apple simply to help improve things on the inside. The crazy thing is that the problem isn’t the Apple developers, but select people in their team

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          17 days ago

          Considering the fact that now, Google is pretty much an add company, it’s almost unfair to compare them. Since 75-80% of their revenue comes from forcing adds on people throughout their various platforms/products… they’re really not even in the same genre anymore.

          I’d maybe put Google in the same box with whoever sends out junk mail.

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            17 days ago

            That’s true… Apparently 90% of their profit is ads

            But they don’t block other ad providers in the google play store, and they don’t block other hardware using Android to show their own ads. In fact Apple could technically adopt android and put their own app store on it. You can’t do that on IOS.

            In fact, Google is getting penalised simply because their search engine is dominating the market (but they’re not doing anything to prevent other companies in Chrome for instance for putting their own search engines and such). Whereas Apple is getting penalised for hostile behavior.

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                17 days ago

                Yep, maybe if you abuse me, it will add credibility…

                Your post specifically was correlating the two. But, seems more like since you don’t have any real justification for your response, you’re resorting to calling me a “STAN” or whatever. If you want to do that, I prefer you stick to Reddit, where that behavior is commonplace.

                Google have done very little to block other app stores or other ad providers on their platforms… That’s why they’re likely far behind. Apple on the other hand have a long history of blocking apps, or delaying them, and blocking App stores.

                The proof is, most popular Android products aren’t even made by Apple (Samsung). And a lot of android products don’t even ship the Play store.

                Complaints for IOS and Android developers are remarkably different. Many Android developers are complaining there are too many variants of devices, whereas many Apple developers (particularly bigger ones) complain about Apple business practices.

                Getting locked out of the App Store, means your product is dead. Even worse, Apple used to ban entire products from their app store, explicitly if it replicates some of their functionality too (or even not even tell the developer why). If that’s not anti-competitive, I don’t know what is.

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                  17 days ago

                  I’m not abusing you. I’m simply stating that you have a very obvious bias. I’d have to overcome that before you’d ever even consider any counter-argument I would have.

                  You position Google as having no business complaints, use things Apple USED to do im the past as arguments against them now…

                  And “oh no! Google’s worst problem is too much tech!” Meanwhile, the evil empire Apple is horrible and mean! You’re biased as hell man.

                  Therefore, to me, this is an exercise in futility.

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        18 days ago

        Google is different!

        They’d find a way to kill a great product at the same time as being charged!