Hear me out. There’s a lot of signs that I see that Tywin is actually trying to help Tyrion. The key moment is when Tywin yells Tyrion that he is worthless and doesn’t anywhere near the family or Kings Landing and that he should disappear and do his own thing. Afterwards Tywin forces Tyrion marry Sansa that would have not only secured Lannister and Baratheon support to secure the north, it would have made Tyrion a lord, and a lord to one of the most honest and noble houses in the entire mythos.
Tywin never made any claim to another person that his son disgusted him Tye only time he would same something of that sort was in front of Tywin himself. He would always defend him as a Lannister no matter what. Tywin was even well aware of Shay and let it go until the king died. Tywin was calculating and wise. He would know how to talk to his child to guarantee they seek their own path. Another show of this is at Tyrion’s trial. Jaime sacrifices what he wants for his brother and Tywin accepts it without hesitation.
My theory is Tywin was never meant to hate Tyrion, but knew that Tyrion could be doing greater things than the politics of his house, and wanted Tyrion to be free of the house because that would be the only way. Tywin even tells the story that he was going to throw Tyrion into the ocean, but he didn’t. He let him live. He never explains why he let Tyrion live. He just did. Was it love for your child? I think so. I don’t believe Tywin wanted the same life for Tyrion, but thanks to Cersei, Tyrion was just pushed too far
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Yes, forcing Tyrion to watch his first wife get publicly gang-raped before disappearing her is absolutely what a loving father would do. Sorry, guy, but that whole mess is a pretty big torpedo.
One of the first undeniably UOs I’ve heard in a while. There’s some good points here and it’s well thought out. Unfortunately, I don’t think I can get past the thought that Tywin is merely moving chess pieces which you’re taking for love. Most, if not all, of Tywin’s actions are mutually beneficial to him so very hard to say.
Most, if not all, of Tywin’s actions are mutually beneficial to him so very hard to say.
That’s the core of it. If you love someone you tend to be OK making decisions that also affect you negatively. Tywin would have never done that for Tyrion. Everything he did was benefiting himself as well, e.g. the marriage with Sansa.
Yeah. Tywin just played with the cards he was dealt. His sole aim was to get his house better position. He did things to 1) benefit himself and 2) benefit Lannisters. Ideally in that order. Tyrion was a cripple (not how I personally think of him, but it is what he was seen as) but he was still his son and his blood counted for something. Tywin didn’t give the North to Tyrion - he gave it to the Lannisters.
Agree and defending Tyrion in public forums was also just protecting house Lannister.
Tywin hates Tyrion for two chief reasons. First for his birth causing his wife’s death, and second for being half Targeryen.
Interesting theory
Sadly you never said what exactly you are talking about. Tv show, movie, book?
Game of thrones. But I also hate when people aren’t clear.
I disagree only because the mad king theory makes too much sense to me, which would also explain why Tywin never declares hating Tyrion to others, because it would be an admission that the king he had been hand to had taken his wife from him (consent or no kinda immaterial if he wasn’t gonna raise riot over it)
