The VP candidate and other Trump allies keep pushing a narrative that threat experts say will fuel violence.
  • WatDabney@sopuli.xyz
    991·
    4 months ago

    Even with my deservedly low expectations for Republicans, it’s astonishing how little integrity Vance has.

    • Ech@lemm.eeEnglish
      271·
      4 months ago

      it’s astonishing how little integrity Vance has.

      The dude’s only hireable trait is the lack of it. Trump thinks he can win on his own merit and just wants an obedient stooge to make sure Jan 6 actually happens this time.

      • WatDabney@sopuli.xyz
        1·
        3 months ago

        I suspect that’s more or less right.

        It struck me a while back that it’s likely not so much that Trump lies per se as that his brain is broken in such a way that he just doesn’t distinguish between truth and falsehood. To him, that’s a meaningless concept. He just says, and means, whatever he says at the moment, based entirely on how it might serve his interests to say it.

        He measures value in other people differently - primarily based on their loyalty to him. But again, the part of his brain that distinguishes between truth and falsehood is broken, so all that takes is a profession of loyalty. And as far as that goes, Vance is particularly notable, since he has in the past criticized Trump, but is now sucking up to him. I think that to Trump, in his narcissism, that’s especially appealing because it means that he won him over.

        So then it’s not so much that he expects Vance to lie as that he expects Vance to remain loyal. It’s not so much that he sees integrity as an obstacle and the lack thereof as an advantage as that he sees it as a threat to loyalty and its absence as an aid to loyalty.

        All of that also explains how it is that Trump - an inveterate liar and back-stabber - is so willing to trust people and so bitter and petulant when they turn against him. Since he doesn’t distinguish between truth and falsehood, he doesn’t see the expectation that they lie on his behalf as anything unusual, nor does he recognize the likelihood that they’ll one day want to or be coerced to stop lying and tell the truth instead. To him, it’s just a simple question of whether they’ll remain loyal to him by saying what he wants them to say (with no understanding of the relevance of the fact that it’s a lie) or betray him by saying what his opponents want them to say (similarly with no understanding of the relevance of the fact that it’s the truth).

        So in Vance, he sees someone that he won over to his side, and his lack of integrity as a lack of that misplaced loyalty that’s led others (Pence, for example) to, as he sees it, betray him.

  • Billiam@lemmy.world
    721·
    4 months ago

    JD Vance reiterates false claim

    JD Vance lied. Saying things you know aren’t true isn’t “reiterating false claims” it’s fucking lying. Stop giving these assholes cover.

    Trump lies.

    Vance lies.

    The GOP lies.

    Fox News lies.

  • NegativeInf@lemmy.world
    461·
    4 months ago

    Didn’t the FBI finally find a social media account of the shooter from like 2019 or so and it was full of racism? Hold on. Lemme find that article…

    The Guardian

    Abbate on Tuesday appeared alongside the acting US Secret Service director, Ronald Rowe Jr, before a US Senate panel and said: “In about the 2019, 2020 timeframe, there were over 700 comments posted from this account. Some of these comments, if ultimately attributable to the shooter, appear to reflect antisemitic and anti-immigration themes to espouse political violence and are described as extreme in nature.”

    CNN

    FBI Deputy Director Paul Abbate said in a joint Senate hearing that the bureau is working to verify a social media account that appeared to reflect “antisemitic” and “anti-immigration” themes that is believed to be linked to the shooter who attempted to assassinate former President Trump

    That second one is a video.

    • MasterNerd@lemm.ee
      192·
      4 months ago

      Wouldn’t this dude be 15-16 at the time of those posts? That’s a lot of time for a young person to change their views. I know I basically did a 180 from conservative to leftist in that time frame.

      I’m not trying to say he wasn’t right-wing, but using what someone posted when they were in high school as evidence for political motivation 4-5 years later seems flawed to me

      • BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca
        301·
        4 months ago

        In the absence of any other visible political opinions I dunno what else we’re supposed to attribute to him

        • krashmo@lemmy.world
          95·
          4 months ago

          Why obsess so much over his motivations? I can think of 1000 reasons why someone with a gun and a lack of morals might want to kill Trump. Does it really matter which one got him to the rally? Even if we found a verifiable suicide note saying “I did it for X reason” it wouldn’t change anything.

          • NegativeInf@lemmy.world
            261·
            4 months ago

            Because it’s relevant to the conversation and the point Vance is trying to make. There’s no evidence he was a Democrat beyond one 5 dollar donation after the fucking insurrection. To me it sounds like he’s a libertarian who doesn’t like tyranny.

      • bitwaba@lemmy.world
        21·
        3 months ago

        Just reads like your average 15-16 year old’s comments said over the weekend playing Xbox …

  • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world
    301·
    4 months ago

    “They couldn’t beat him politically,”

    He’s never won the popular vote, and he lost the second election by a sizable margin in both popular vote (over 7 million more), and the electoral college (74 more electors).

    “so they tried to bankrupt him.”

    Who tried to bankrupt him? How? What are you even referring to? Also, who needs to try to bankrupt a man who has filed bankruptcy for his businesses SIX(!!!) times. Nobody could be more successful at bringing Trump to bankruptcy than himself and his stupid business decisions.

    “They failed at that, so they tried to impeach him.”

    Didn’t try. Succeeded. Twice. Failed only to convict him and remove him from office a few months early. And that was only because the spineless partisan GOP Senators refused to hold him to account and protected the traitor.

    "They failed at that, so they tried to put him in prison.”

    That sentencing hearing is still on the horizon, Vancy-pants. I’m not holding my breathe for any real jail time myself, but I wouldn’t be counting my eggs before they hatch either. And while that documents case is delayed… if you don’t make it into office so he can pardon himself like the weird bitch he is, you will almost certainly see more convictions in the future. That presidential immunity you’re counting on doesn’t do shit for the illegal actions he took after leaving office, dumbass.

    “They even tried to kill him.”

    Don’t even need to refute this one. You better hope that all Trump’s enemies don’t come for blood though… he has made quite a lot of those and makes more every day.