CBS refusing to fact check was a travesty, but at least they still called Vance out on the immigrant bullshit.
Lots of deluded wishful thinking in this thread. I would never vote for Vance either, but I recognize an impressive debate performance when I see one.
For anyone who is politically involved and knows the issues, Walz won by having better and more consistent positions; as well as Vance saying some scary fascist level shit
But I fear that most undecided voters aren’t in that camp, and for those people Vance did well just be being coherent and vaguely normal.
Vance lied and twisted the truth a bunch, but if you just tuned in without knowing all the facts and context, that wasn’t necessarily clear
For me though I was pleasantly surprised by Walz actually making a moral case for immigration, you don’t see that nearly enough
Yes. Vance was full on snake oil salesman and many Americans will buy.
Walz did fine. Unfortunately, that’s definitely not enough to be impressive. In today’s world he needed to be more aggressive and stern.
There were also a couple of times that were just bad optics for him. He looked pretty goofy nodding his head at Vance.
Of course I wanted better from Walz. Sadly, and worrisome that Vance came across as more than adequate.
It was refreshing to have a civil debate without yelling and name calling. Compared to the previous debate it’s night and day.
Omg yes, I was beginning to forget what a debate between two adults looked like.
Yeah, honestly I tuned it for a bit and was shocked at how shocked I was about the debate being just a normal(ish) political debate.
It’s bothering me how desensitized I’ve become to Trumpian rhetoric in politics, not only in the USA, but globally. Almost a decade of this shit in the public, and a whole new generation of voters who think it’s normal, too. It’s pissing me off.
Walz came across like a human, while Vance pulled off an amazing impression of one.
Honestly that’s a great way of putting it. He doesn’t freak out on TV the way Trump does but imo that makes his goals seem a lot scarier than Trump’s.
Amazing impression?
Terrifying impression.
Donald J Trump and his quasar sized ego are the only thing standing between us and a Vance presidency. 2028 will be horrifying.
One hour after the debate, I sorted lemmy posts by top of last hour. The first 5 posts were about Vance, the 6th about Trump. Not one with Walz in the headline.
I mean yeah because Walz pretty much just answered questions while Vance whined about being “fact checked”
