Well, I know kids today aren’t being raised with the same protections I was as a kid. Kids swear more often now, see more violent tv than I did, and see sex more often than I did.

Unless you’re like 80, that’s not true at all. Every generation since gen x has gotten more prudish.

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Heh “need to done violence”

But we’re not.

I think it’s a good idea, but I’ve never seen someone run the numbers.

I’ve seen estimates that it’s frequently cheaper to demolish the building and build a new one.

It’s the plumbing, mainly. Not designed to carry that much throughput.

OHAIMARS

Yeah I was surprised the state propagandists left the corpos that much market share.

Also remember the periodic waves of “Hillary is bae! Mother of dragons! Yas Queen!” and “I love Mayor Pete” and “KHive ftw!” and even a smattering of Mitt Romney fanboi-ism on /r/politics, as their campaigns rose and fell.

Literally no, I was there and I don’t recall that at all.

Apathetic voters are too stupid to have developed an understanding of object permanence yet.

Yep

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/29/us/nestle-water-california.html

The cost is that you deplete the aquifer. Generally speaking, water pumped out of the ground doesn’t replenish (except on geologic time scales). That’s what I meant by the fossil fuel comparison. It’s not like taking water from a stream or a lake replenished by snowmelt. Once that aquifer is dry, it’s dry, and the land becomes dead.

Come live in San Francisco!

“Oh no, California is wracked by drought! I mean except San Francisco…”

“Oh no, giant heat wave is pummeling the West Coast, except San Francisco which is still 65 degrees…”

“Oh no, giant wildfires are threatening everywhere except San Francisco which is surrounded by water on 3 sides…”

“Oh no, housing is becoming unaffordable everywhere, except San Francisco! …because it was already unaffordable in SF…oops…”

I did the math for Socal the last major drought, and normal people using water was like 2-5% of the water usage. And that includes lawns and stuff. Farming was the vast majority of water usage.

Yeah that’s like saying the gas in your car comes from a hole in the ground.

Resource extraction is never free.

It’s like a self-fulfilling prophecy at that point. Like Netflix with new shows.

Netflix: here’s this new show

People: yeah you guys always cancel stuff after the first season or two, I’m not gonna get invested in something that will just get canceled

Netflix: man, these viewership numbers are low. CANCELED!

I mean if you’re determined to be depressed in the face of all evidence, I can’t stop you.

the amount of carbon we’ve currently released is enough to destroy all human life

That’s not even close to true.

The US just passed a law automatically signing people up for the draft.

Every male is legally required to sign up for the draft at 18, it just hasn’t ever really been enforced. This is a nothing.

Trump is a viable candidate.

This is actually a big fucking deal and the most important thing any of us can do for the climate is to prevent Trump from winning.

Partially because our government isn’t taking serious action to do so. Partially because every environmental scientist, environmental engineer, biologist, ecologist, I know is extremely depressed or suicidal.

Look, this is lemmy. Everyone and their fucking dog is suicidal here. It’s damn near a death cult.

it’s doable. Why? Because it’s been done before

That’s not an issue. We have the science. Sure, there are efficiency gains from improved science, but it’s not like we’re fumbling in the dark here. We know exactly what we need to do and how to do it. And it’s not a braindead simplistic soundbyte like “just do a revolution” or “everyone bike everywhere”. It’s complex, it’s complicated, but it is known. Stop using fossil fuels. Start using renewables. Capture the carbon that has already been released. It’s a super simple equation. It’s like dieting, you can have all the fancy diets in the world but the absolute core of it is that you need to take in less calories than you burn in order to lose weight.

or we all literally die.

That’s not true and I can tell you’re smart enough to know it, so I won’t dwell on it. But it dovetails into the next point

We also don’t have the time (like we are out of time)

It’s not a binary. We have passed the threshold where we can prevent negative effects. In that sense, we are out of time, yes. Species have gone extinct and we can’t get them back. Not like, “very soon this will happen”, but like “this has already happened”. It will keep getting worse. That’s how you have to think of it. Not like a video game. Not like “fix the problem in x years or else we all immediately die, game over!” It’s “the longer it takes to fix, the worse the world gets in the mean time.”

I believe, as long as the US doesn’t fall into a regressive fascist science-denying hellhole (which is a whole nother thing but bears mentioning), we will fix it. Possibly in my life time, or at least be on a trajectory to complete recovery (minus extinct species) within my lifetime. A lot of people are putting a lot of money and time and effort into it.

If you ever read Socrates, most of his questions are just giving you the answer and then saying “doesn’t that make sense?”