Yes, and with reddit having a baseline corporate & bot astroturfing rate of ~25% that’s not exactly a good bar to measure by.

I… That’s not how this works. Or at least that’s not the context I’m referring to.

I can make an account (or 1000, Lemmy doesn’t exactly have controls to stop me) and run it as a bot, and NOT mark it as a bot. And use it to automatically manipulate the tone of conversations and threads without anyone knowing. And the premise of your argument is now void.

Labeling of bots is done via goodwill.

We’re not worried about goodwill users in this context. We’re talking about astroturfing bots posing as actual users. That said, labeled bots are still a problem if their content out grows organic user content, since that just isolates us, and erodes our community in favor of w/e interesting content bots scaped up today.

Which is a massive problem on almost every social media platform already. And will come to Lemmy soon enough.

This seems like classic corporate backtracking when their customers spot a terrible, deliberate decision.

I didn’t think that’s the case here

However, would you rather that the feedback of users NOT change behavior? I’m not entirely sure what your end game is here, you WANT corporations to ignore and not take action on feedback?

How can they block this for everyone?

No, now they taste that sad slightly burnt air with a tablespoon of salt.

Unfortunately the bot problem is coming to Lemmy.

Bots posting content is already a thing here, and then taking up front page space is already a thing.

Lemmy is speed running “How to lose your sense of community”.

Seriously. We don’t need bot bullshit on Lemmy.

This is the start of the slide for Reddit is just going to be worse here because there are fewer controls to actually detect and do something about bots.

This… This is the shit tower.

It’s made up of fools who follow fools, and soon to be fools who follow AI ran by people with an agenda.

Gotcha so you actually stated your previous question in bad faith as you had no interest in the answer to begin with.

Recurring!

You can’t really tell.

It’s also a very very VERY small platform compared to other social media platforms like Reddit. (I had another comment where I calculated this but it’s ridiculously small)

It is unlikely that it would see anywhere near the same level of dedicated bot activity due to the low return on invested effort.

This is a problem that will become greater once the value of astroturfing and shifting opinion on Lemmy is high enough.

You’re missing the big impact here which is that bots can shift public opinion in mass which affects you directly.

Gone are the days where individuals have their own opinions instead today opinions are just osmosised through social media.

And if social media is essentially just a message bought by whoever can pay for the biggest bot farm, then anyone who thinks for themselves and wants to push back immediately becomes the enemy of everyone else.

This is not a future that you want.

Mhm, I love dismissive “Look, it already works, and there’s nothing to improve” comments.

Lemmy lacks significant capabilities to effectively handle the bots from 10+ years ago. Nevermind bots today.

The controls which are implemented are implemented based off of “classic” bot concerns from nearly a decade ago. And even then, they’re shallow, and only “kind of” effective. They wouldn’t be considered effective for a social media platform in 2014, they definitely are not anywhere near capability today.

Lemmy has no capability to handle non-advanced bots from yesteryear.

It’s most definitely not capable of handing bots today and is absolutely unprepared for handling bots tomorrow.

The fediverse is honestly just pending the necessary popularity in order to be turned into bot slop with no controls.

Give it time and the mega corps will do it for you.

PR nightmares will keep significant exploit fixes coming. Microsoft isn’t that stupid.

They are 55th on the list for obesity rates.

It’s a worldwide epidemic unfortunately.

For reference:

• U.S. is 10th with 41%
• Australia is 36th with 32%

Yep, and even worse. Lemmy has absolutely NO controls for quality and minimal moderation tools or capabilities. It’s in a much worse position than Reddit.

If it’s not already happening (And I think it is), it will.

They have the concept of a antitrust breakup.

“I refuse to accept progress if it’s not perfect progress”

Is what you’re effectively stating here.

Cmon, really? I have this argument with my toddler when he asks for something like a rip off a loaf of bread. He wants the whole loaf, he can’t have the whole load, so he gets a choice: The piece you can have, or nothing.

So. Would you rather have this progress, or nothing? That’s your choice, and right now it sounds a whole lot like you would rather have no progress?