Summary
Luigi Mangione, charged with the December 2024 murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, released his first public statement through a new website launched by his defense team.
He expressed gratitude for widespread support and acknowledged the letters he has received. The website provides case updates and a fundraiser, which has raised over $400,000.
Mangione has gained a following among those frustrated with the U.S. healthcare system. A poll found 41% of voters under 30 viewed the assassination as acceptable.
His next court date is Feb. 21.
A poll found 41% of voters under 30 viewed the assassination as acceptable.
Crazy how we can see numbers like this and then see other articles saying only “dark corners of the internet” support Luigi.
Way lower than I thought tbh
That’s greater than the percentage of Americans who voted for Trump in the 2024 election.
Yes but a more direct comparison would be to voters under 30. Around 46% of 18-29 yr. olds supported Trump.
46% of those who voted.
Yes. And the original poll estimated that 41% of voters under 30 approved of Mangione’s actions. My point is statistics are more valuable and informative when you try your best to compare apples to apples.
“Voters” doesn’t mean “people who voted in the most recent election” but “people who are registered to vote” so the other commenter is correct.
Sorry but no? “Voters” means the same thing in both cases, that’s how statistics works. You take a small subset of people and try to control for as much as possible to make it an accurate representation of the greater population. Nobody actually knows what Voters in the abstract think if they don’t vote or answer polls
IDK if it’s the case here, but a poll that goes 40% yes 10% no 50% no answer usually gets reported as “40% yes” without context if they want to insinuate the no is in majority.
It’s the same as when Trump’s Greenland poll got reported as “80% no” without mentioning the 12% “no answer” and the 8% yes part.
Surprised it’s not higher actually.
People are saying that this is a low percentage, but I think it could be considered high. Murder (i.e. not necessarily killing a human in general) is classically and in general a really bad thing. Even if people don’t care for the parasitic company’s CEO and might be glad that he’s dead, I could imagine that their gut feeling would tell them to not consider an assassination acceptable.
Hmm, you say that but people cheer when villains are killed in movies. Brian Thompson killed tens of thousands of people and caused immense suffering to millions of people. In our darkest hour, when it looked like the oligarchs had won and were untouchable, Luigi took a stand against evil and gave us all hope. Luigi is a hero.
I mean, people from the dark corners of the internet are probably pretty good at finding polls about things they’re interested in, lol
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to be clear, voters under 30 is what like 40% of all the voting public? So we’re talking like less than 10% of the voting populous, probably at most.
Did you just multiply 40% and 41% in your head and decide the answer was less than 10%?
Sorry, I know this is barely relevant, but the implied calculus there shook me a bit.
im lazy but statistics is weird like that, you would be taking 40% of 100, and then taking 40% (i think i just used the wrong number lmao) of that block, so like 8 ish was my quick estimate, i was off by about a factor of 2, but that’s still pretty good for schizo statistics that i have no idea the validity of.
My good ser, statistics are not weird like that you’re overcomplicating it in your head. It is .40 times .40, or in other words, 4*4 then move the decimel two spaces over.
yeah and i just didnt do that, idk what you want from me lmao
Lmao
40℅ * 41% = 16.4%
You can do it quickly in your head by using 4*4=16 and then adding on the last .4%.
If you look carefully you may notice that 16.4 - 10 = 6.4 which is not zero, so our original poster was off by at least 64%.
Yay I can do math too!
That was my point. They were commending maths that was incorrect where an exact calculation is trivial, even for someone like me who is somewhat poor at mental arithmetic.
tbf, if im going through the trouble of using real stats math, i’m going to dig out some actually real statistics to base it off of, rather than some silly lemmy post, or comment claiming a specific thing, evidently, i didn’t do that.
Indeed
The statement reads, “I am overwhelmed by—and grateful for—everyone who has written me to share their stories and express their support. Powerfully, this support has transcended political, racial, and even class divisions, as mail has flooded MDC from across the country, and around the globe. While it is impossible for me to reply to most letters, please know that I read every one that I receive. Thank you again to everyone who took the time to write. I look forward to hearing more in the future.”
Still dont get it why he is still charged over somthg he obviously didnt do. Is justice sociale bad in the US, why people dont react. Like O.J. Simpson case but in reverse, everybody knows Luigi is not guilty…
These images could be false leads just as much as Luigi could be a false arrest. People assume these pictures are “the guy” just because they were presented first.
Do you realise that the assassination has been recorded? Guy on the left is the suspect.
He has not once said he didn’t do it has he? I think this whole conspiracy theory like most is silly.
Yeah he did it, that’s why he’s a hero.
Bruh you never considered he wanted to make himself look like the suspect, the pics of the suspect were all over the news before he got arrested. He had plenty of time to take similar (not exactly the same) outfits, a gun and write a manifesto…
We are talking about facts, what are his motivation is not important.
He is not a hero, he is either a deranged man wanting to get fame or a stupid chap that wanted to make fun of the police. And do you want to know how i know that? Cause there is a factual proof in the actual recording of the suspect comitting the crime… And its obviously not him… And btw he cant speak to the press, you dont know if he will plead guilty or not…
Can’t rationalize with a conspiracy theorist
Bruh, just look at the pics…
Grainy surveillance means jack shit, in any case I will it rationalize with a conspiracy theorist, that’s like debating religion with my bible thumping dad
Grainy ? WTF are you talking about? Its the proof you didnt look at them…
This is some flat-earther level shit right here.
Then prove your point, shoudnt be too difficult to explain how he grew a mono eyebrow and got taller overnight, if this is flat earther level…
Yeah - I don’t discuss things with conspiracy theorists. You can make up bullshit MUCH faster than I can even start to dig up actual evidence and support for my arguments. And after I’ve spent hours generating a fact-supported response you’ll just say “OH THE POLICE LIE SO I’M GOING TO IGNORE YOU” or something. I’ve been there, got the t-shirt, and will not return.
Bruh… The police didnt said anything… Thats the point of a trial, its not public. And tbh the suspect pics are true, they never lied. Its the prosecutor who is dumb as fuck for charging Luigi while not considering the main element : recordings of the crime.
Chill down buddy, of you dont want to discuss, dont comment…
And do you want to know how i know that? Cause there is a factual proof in the actual recording of the suspect comitting the crime… And its obviously not him…
Look everyone! A random on the internet has totally solved the case!
Jokes aside- maybe you should step in and let Bragg know he has nothing and demand a dismissal with prejudice.
Lol ironically, people do are stupid enough not to see how obvious it is… Luigi was indeed wrong when he siad that was an insult to americans intelligence…
This:
Lol ironically, people do are stupid enough not to see how obvious it is… Luigi was indeed wrong when he siad that was an insult to americans intelligence…
… is an insult to American intelligence.
Facts are not insults, they are facts. I mean, they voted for Trump…
I agree, he saw the picture, got the same clothes and the manifest, and jumped into his time machine to go back in time to get himself on security cams before the murder happened.
There are ni pics of Luigi like this before the murder. All the pics you can see if him are from the McDonald’s. The others are from the suspect and shows clearly someone else.
OK, to play devil’s advocate, if it wasn’t Luigi in the picture, who was it? For what purpose was Luigi in town? I understand that in the legal system, the defense doesn’t need to PROVE who else did it and that they just need to create reasonable doubt… but what’s your take?
if it wasn’t Luigi in the picture, who was it?
What are you looking for here? A name? How would we know?
Well, if it wasn’t Luigi, then who was it? Why would someone go through the trouble of finding someone that looks just like him? Who would that be… why was Luigi picked for a scapegoat? If the contention of OP is “Luigi isn’t the guy”… then who is? From my standpoint, Luigi had the means, the motive and the motivation due to his personal history and abilities.
I realize that in court his defense won’t have to say “we have proof it was this other guy” but I’m not in court right now. If OP doesn’t think Luigi did it, then who else would have?
Any of a million other people. For Luigi’s case, it doesn’t matter who did it. Luigi didn’t, end of discussion.
Wow, I hope you’re not his defense attorney.
He isn’t?
Any of the other millions upon millions of people and their families that UHC has intentionally harmed/killed?
Make up your own mind based on the facts and their justifications, but the reason the rules are like that in court is because punishing people for crimes they didn’t commit is injustice, even if you don’t ever find the actual culprit.
I think maybe they played too much Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, wherein the defendant is guilty until proven innocent AND you identify the actually guilty party. Yes, really. You still lose in that game even in the event that you can definitively prove your client’s innocence if you don’t also turn in the actual culprit. That’s how this guy thinks the justice system should work.
The sad thing is that a victims family will grasp at anything to have who they think the killer is be put behind bars.
But it’s better to let an innocent person walk than get the wrong person, even if it leaves the family devastated.
it’s better to let an innocent person walk than get the wrong person
Hot take.
So he just happened to have a gun on him in Pennsylvania that coincidentally matched the ballistic evidence in Manhattan?
Let me see the footage of the arrest. Dept desperate to “get their perpetrator” often do desperate things, can’t be having the ruling class be murdered and nobody being punished for it now can we?
The Altoona PA police department made the arrest.
Are you insinuating that police forces don’t work together or share information? Show me the video I want before he arrived, body cams, all of it. Every house has a ring camera it should be pretty solid unless mysterious it didn’t work just like the night Epstein was murdered.
Any person arrested where the police conveniently leave their body cams off should automatically be found not guilty.
Why does it shut off at all?
So that the cops can beat black people and plant evidence, ovbiously.
You talk like the police never planted evidence before.
So the Altoona Pennsylvania police who made the arrest just happened to plant the evidence for the NYPD? Lol
What I want to know is - where is Luigi’s workshop?
That kind of 3D printed gun isn’t just something you can print off at the library and start blasting. Even for a skilled 3D printing expert with a workshop full of plastic and metal working tools, you’re looking at months of prototyping, printing, fitting, testing out prototypes at a gun range, etc. It is possible for skilled crafters to build an untraceable gun from a 3D printed frame and pieces ordered off the net. But it’s nothing like just hitting “print” and having a gun.
This is what really gets me. Luigi was apparently living as a drifter for the last year or so. His family had been trying to get in touch with him. A hostel is not the place where you’re going to be able to make a 3D printed gun. You need a workshop, and one that you can operate in with a high degree of privacy for an extended period of time.
So, again, where is Luigi’s workshop? 3D printed guns don’t just materialized from nowhere. If Luigi made the gun, he must have a workshop. Unless the police can show where that workshop is, I’m going to assume the gun was planted on him.
Where is Luigi’s workshop?
Youtube channels get banned left and right for printing functional guns on their 10 year old printers. They usually don’t design them themselves but download them. The designs are made in a way that you can built them at home.
Uh, maybe he bought it?
Ok. Then you just transfer the chain back one level. Who did he buy it from? Think about the logistics of buying one of those. Imagine you wanted to buy a ghost gun. How would you actually go about doing that? Yes, organized crime rings and gangs may make these things, but they don’t just sell them to any random kid who walks up wanting to buy one. They’ll obtain them for their own trusted members. But if a random white kid shows up looking to buy a gun, the thought of most people would be that this guy is planning a school shooting. And no gang wants that type of heat.
That doesn’t matter, though. He isn’t being charged with manufacturing an illegal firearm so the prosecution does not have the burden of proving that he did so. Likewise, if he is being charged with gun trafficking, they still don’t need to prove where he got the illegal gun from, just that he had it.
And he’s being charged with terrorism, for fuck’s sake. Do you really think the standard for evidence at this trial will be a fair one? The prosecution is likely to get away with hearsay while the defense will be expected to provide DNA evidence from the actual killer as well as his parents and grandparents to get the case dismissed.
It’s really not this deep. A white privileged kid murdered someone in a pathetic martyr operation and he’s going to prison for decades.
Yes? Why would that be surprising
Because it wasn’t their case and they have no connection to it.
What cop wouldn’t want to jump on the opportunity to be the one to catch the guy who did a high profile murder?
I guess the one who forgets about the other evidence in New York.
You cant be rational in an irrational discussion. It never goes well- and usually ends in pitchfork-related injuries.
Be safe. These people aren’t using nuance or logic at all.
It’s sad how fucked up they are.
Security camera footage that shows where the assassin dumped the gun and backpack, suppress the footage, have chatGPT whip up a manifesto, pin it on some guy with a similar nose.
Like, seriously, when’s the last time you saw a cop outside of a cop T.V. show? Are we still pretending they have the publics best interests at heart?
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All I know is he was at my place that night, so couldn’t have been him.
This is a better take than conspiracy shit tbh. Personally, I was ice skating with the guy.
Just because that’s what the police said doesn’t make it true. Police are known liars and have been caught countless times arresting the wrong person, planting evidence, and/or lying to get an arrest and make themselves not look as inept as they are.
The police need to punish someone. If a crime has been committed, that’s a bonus. If they are punishing the preparator of the crime, that’s a double-bonus. If they can murder you, they get a paid vacation while the union takes care of the paperwork.
Being the devil’s advocate here, but he could have discarded the grey bag and grabbed a black bag with more normal stuff. This image doesn’t quite support the statement. There must be other, more powerful evidence of his innocence.
Nah.
That’s not how this shit works homie.
Luigi doesn’t have to prove his innocence, the prosecutor has to prove he’s guilty beyond reasonable doubt…
Like, you’re literally completey opposite of reality with your statement. So in a way you couldn’t be more wrong
The burden of proof is on the prosecution in America.
incorrect it is on the defense
The burden of proof is on the prosecutor for criminal cases, and the defendant is presumed innocent. If the claimant fails to discharge the burden of proof to prove their case, the claim will be dismissed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)
even wikipedia has it wrong
in the United States it is on the defense to pay for and to provide evidence because the prosecutor makes up anything they want along with whatever the jackboots in the case states happens with the judge going along with it in complicity and the defendant is presumed guilty throughout the entire process and even if the defendant proves their innocence the claim may not be dismissed
Lol …
I’ve never seen someone post a source showing they’re wrong…
Then saying “even that source is wrong, and I’m still right”.
Like, did you search for anything that agrees with you and then just give up but thought people would just up ote a source?
Haven’t argued with many MAGAts have you? I had an anti-vaxxer do that numerous times because he couldn’t understand math. That precluded him from understanding that his source didn’t support his argument, but he was still posting sources saying he was wrong.
Haven’t argued with many MAGAts have you?
Why would I?
They want an argument, they want to be “challenged” and to “fight the good fight”.
If rational people argue with them, it raises their group cohesion and they all circlejerk about it later.
If rational people do the rational thing and do t engage with them they still need those arguments. So instead of circle jerking with each other, they have to argue with each other. Which fractures their group.
Please be a rational person and stop being the punching bag of the right.
You’ll never change their minds with facts and logic. All you’re doing is reinforcing their beliefs
You’ll never change their minds with facts and logic. All you’re doing is reinforcing their beliefs
For the MAGAt I referenced above, I’m well aware of that. When I argue with them, it’s not to convince them. It’s to make sure there are facts rebutting their crazy right alongside that crazy. The craziest thing is that there are true undecideds. Those are the people that might be swayed by the crazy bullshit. My hope is that my information is a solid counter to that crazy.
People can’t just go around killing loved ones…
Except CEOs
not killing loved ones
exception is CEOs
You are repeating yourself
To be fair, there is probably at least one unloved person who isn’t a CEO.
For those who read the summary rather than the article, here is the website that Luigi’s defense team created: www.luigimangioneinfo.com
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What percent think he did not assasinate him. I assume another 40% or so.
What’s his website?
My original comment did not advocate violence. You just want to censor how people really feel on the matter and you’re afraid of that. Simple as that.
Eh, to be fair, I get it after looking through the modlog. The implication that you wish far more people were okay with an assassination and that there is no other recourse is absolutely advocating violence. Now, whether or not it’s acceptable to think that way is a whole other topic, but I don’t think it’s fair to say you weren’t at least speaking out in support of violence.
Because that’s the truth - there is literally NO recourse or peaceful option left. More people, would rather continue banging their heads against the wall and say “please stop being corrupt” to the ones who’re actively upheaving everyone’s lives and damaging them beyond repair.
Again, how the fuck can anyone sit there and say “…uh this is okay! Luigi is bad for what he did, but I’m totally okay with getting fucked”.
Regardless of how justified you, I, or anybody else is in thinking that, my one and only point is that it is advocating violence.
Soooo… if so many people here seem to think Luigi didn’t do it, then why is everyone rushing to his defense? Why all the memes? Why the aggressive defense of an “innocent man?”
If he didn’t do it, then aren’t you all just hero-worshiping some random dude, while the “real” shooter is still at large?
Let’s assume Luigi is innocent as a result of “jUsT LoOk aT tEh viDeO!”, then that means the focus would shift on finding who the actual shooter is. And considering how everyone around here seems to be pro-murder depending on who the victim happens to be, that would mean your hero-at-large would be at risk of getting discovered and arrested.
If Luigi is innocent, and you all want the identity of the “real” shooter to remain safely unknown, as one would think you should… maybe you’d be best served by having Luigi taking one for the team?
Just a thought.
How weird. It’s almost like Lemmy isn’t a single individual who can’t get their story straight, but rather a collective of different people who have different opinions, some of which contradict each other.
Just a thought
You forgot to complete this
The point is less about whether Mangione himself killed the CEO than schadenfreude at a protected class who keep thinking they’re better than the rest of us. I realise all sorts of other speculative discussions are going on about whom to point the finger at, but it’s more interesting to consider the implications of taking back power from the greedy and priveleged by force (especially when we’re cowed into thinking we’re powerless).
Shit logic is shit.
If Luigi is innocent
Something to mention here. Even if he didn’t shoot the guy, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that he is innocent. At a minimum, he’d’ve been working with the actual shooter. Since he had the fake id, and etc. assuming they weren’t plants.
I wonder what the options were. I have really complicated feelings about this, ones I could not possibly boil down to simply acceptable or unacceptable. All I can say is that I do not feel bad about the CEO, and I think Mangione is overcharged because the powerful want to make an example of him, a warning to anyone else considering the same.
At the same time, there is a cost to murdering someone. And sometimes, you are okay paying it. Maybe you feel justified, maybe you do not. Maybe a lot of people think you are. But there is still a cost. The lesson to the powerful is simple: never make taking your life worth the price.
I wonder what the options were
Shaggy defense:
It wasn’t me
It most likely was him. And the prosecution likely has solid evidence
It’s just they likely didn’t get that evidence thru legal means so it won’t be admissible.
Like, at first they said a fast food worker recognized him, then she said she didn’t. She said someone walked up to her. Told her it looked like the shooter that has a big reward, and left
That 100% smells like law enforcement needing a legal way to say he was found when they 100% knew it was him and where he was.
So you attack the evidence they can share with a jury. Which isn’t great.
You attack all the shitty things the cops did, like tazering him till he pissed his pants and then releasing a cell phone pic to taint the jury pool.
His family is loaded as fuck, they’re gonna be able to afford good lawyers, it’s very likely he’s not found guilty
