Three bullets shot by a three man squad. State can’t even afford more men and a conscience round.
Article about execution by firing squad.
Shows picture of an electric chair.
It’s like we are going backwards
When it comes to capital punishment, the US has really never been forwards.
Ain’t nothing “like” about it
Y’all are most assuredly going backwards
Republicans love to kill.
Pro-life. 🙄
But they told me they’re pro-life. What a monumental disparity, how do we proceed?
Abort them.
One of them post birth ones?
How long until these executions are televised live on Fox?
Honestly much better than lethal injection. Lethal injection is slow and tortuous but looks less violent.
I’d rather be give a fuck ton of herion and ran over with a bulldozer. If that’s not available chop my head off
I’ll just take that heroin od
Yeah, I’ve overdosed before, it’s a swift, painless slide into the dark.
Username checks out.
Yeah. But I’m clean now and still alive to regret that particular incident, could be worse
Edit - I wanted to bring it back in a witty way to your username checking out too but fuck me it’s beyond my ability
I’m convinced lethal injection was intentionally designed to be agony, and torture. There are too many accounts by eyewitnesses of it not being peaceful, and painless.
Afaik the process itself is fine, but it involves things like starting an IV and dosing, and people who are skilled in those kinds of things tend not to be the kind of people who are okay with assisting in an execution. So, the ones who end up doing it are basically cops with a syringe, and -big shock- fuck it up cuz they’re either too stupid to do it correctly or too evil to want to.
You’re more of an optimist than me.
Holy shit, now that might be the first time anyone’s accused me of that.
Misery loves company I guess. /internet-hug from one dejected motherfucker to another.
Bro, I’m so deep in a depression hole right now. Thanks, I appreciate it.
have another
hug
👍
Mainly because the drugs administered as anesthesia and loss of consciousness weren’t enough and people botched them in myriad ways, from my current understanding.
You’re not seeing the forest for the trees.
It was ALWAYS intended to not be enough.
I saw it and thought it was plain to see.
My bad, then.
No worries. It was opaque and others may have needed to understand.
Copy that. Have a good one.
That’s not a good story… Ask if they have a mallet!
The fucked up thing is that both of them CHOSE this. That’s how bad lethal injection can be
Seems like a guillotine would be far more humane. No 80 seconds of breathing - man that must be like an eternity of pain.
Well, multiple scientists and doctors during the French Revolution reported that multiple victims maintained consciousness, briefly, after being beheaded, up to 30 seconds. One such incident happened in 1905, to a French criminal named Henri Languille. The French used the guillotine as the State method for executions up until 1981. The last beheading was in 1977.
https://mikedashhistory.com/2011/01/25/some-experiments-with-severed-heads/
In short, it’s not painless, and does not cause instant unconsciousness. If that was the goal, they’d render the “criminal” unconscious before execution.
But then, that’s not the point, is it?
So guillotine, but instead of a blade, just put a 2ft cube of steel to smash the entire head
✍️
No, some morphine. Night night, then… nighty night.
is that sleep capsule used in assisted suicide for the terminally ill in some European countries too expensive? or is it a problem because that would be too peaceful?
when I was in my 20s I overdosed on ambien because I wanted out, but was saved because I sleep walked and passed out outside and some people who knew me helped. It was painless and all I remeber was taking the pills and nothing after.
You may know the story, but Jim Jeffries (Jeff Nugent,) the Australian comedian, has (had?) a friend with Muscular Dystrophy, who died multiple times, briefly.
When asked if there was anything beyond death, the friend said “No.”
What is the point?
To make the person being executed suffer.
Do this need to be explained to you?
I don’t really think that. I hear the phrase a lot and I just don’t think that’s true
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanging_in_the_United_States
Currently, only New Hampshire has a law specifying hanging as an available secondary method of execution, now only applicable to one person, who was sentenced to capital punishment by the state prior to its repeal in 2019.
The hanging of Billy Bailey is likely to be the final hanging in the United States, considering that all three of the states that maintained hanging as a secondary method of execution alongside lethal injection after the 1976 restoration of the death penalty have now abolished executions. Delaware’s Supreme Court declared the death penalty to be in violation of their state constitution in 2016,[21] Washington abolished executions in 2018,[22] and New Hampshire abolished executions in 2019.[23] However, the last person on death row in the three states is Michael K. Addison in New Hampshire, convicted in 2008 of the 2006 murder of Michael Briggs, an on-duty police officer. Should the state carry out Addison’s execution, the method could be hanging if lethal injection was found unconstitutional or inefficient, or if he chooses to be executed by hanging.
Talk about a go-down-in-the-history-books opportunity.
Since the last execution in New Hampshire was a botched hanging in 1939 that took 6 minutes for the guy to die, I kind of doubt the court would allow them to go through with that.
Lol, wait until the current admin threatens to withhold funds for not hanging X amount of criminals per month.
They’d rather just outsource it to El Salvador I think
All killing is murder, states are just gangs big enough to have a PR team and the ability to indoctrinate the youth into following their rules.
Good on South Carolina for making that more plain.
The state having a Monopoly on violence is sort of the point of a social contract. That being said I’m not a proponent of the death penalty. Life is sacred.
All killing is murder
homicide*
Murder is just homicide that’s illegal; and legality should never be conflated with morality. In any context, not just killing.
Being sanctioned by the state doesn’t make it moral; and being illegal doesn’t make it immoral (and yes, homicide can be moral).
The wheel of karma continues to turn.
If only karma was real. We live in a world where evil thrives. Every now and then an evil fuck ‘gets what’s coming to them’ but the vast majority of them live long and very prosperous lives, not just unimpaired, but actively enriched by their evil. Through their life of luxury, they enjoy an obscenely long lifespan and eventually croak in some unspectacular way. Karma is a nice daydream, but that’s all it is.
Karma is real. Just because it isn’t instant doesn’t mean it isn’t. Karma is doing what “they” do to us, because they deserve it and we don’t. Retribution. Then they gain power and repeat the cycle. Karma is the opportunity to learn: if it’s wrong when someone does it to us, it’s wrong when we do it to them. “They” are “you.”
Dharma is stepping off the wheel and seeking justice - balance, equitably, harmony. Because when one person levels up, it inspires someone else to put forth effort; and when another chooses to devolve, that inspires others to devolve.
Re-education/rehabilitation, forgiveness, doing the work together is the path of dharma, mastering self first, and helping others to master themselves. Not doing it for them. Not having no clear and enforced boundaries. Truth is on a spectrum, too. That is, there is a tipping point where truth becomes lie. And retribution is that tipping point
Put another way: wisdom without compassion of brutality. Compassion without wisdom is folly.
Eta: This is the ignorance that leads to suffering that Buddha referenced. The necklace of skulls worn by Kali are the heads of ignorance she’s severed. Om Krim Kalima!
…I’m not really following, but I’m also exhausted and shouldn’t be anywhere near the internet right now.
I think we each might be understanding the word “karma” to mean something different. My understanding boils down to: do good to others, good things will happen to you; do bad to others, bad things will happen to you.
My observation is that the version I just described is fantasy. It’s not that it’s not instant, it’s that it’s completely absent. For every oppressor that meets a nasty end (feeding a confirmation bias to the existence of karma) there are dozens live their life of bliss only to die peacefully in their sleep of old age.
And I don’t believe in any afterlife, so I’m not going to count on some kind of ‘hell’ deliver the thusfar missing justice: they reached the finish line and that’s it. If karma - again as I understand it - was real, those fuckers would be much more motivated not to be evil, but here we are, completely surrounded by evil.
So I hear you about afterlife. Buddha didn’t address it and basically said it’s irrelevant. And since it’s not instant, and often returns to people from other sources in many ways, we often don’t associate correlation.
Bear with me a moment. If the kingdom of heaven is within, eg a state of being, look at perhaps the diary of Anne Frank. That is heaven. She lived in inner harmony, with a clear conscience. Dark triads understand emotions, they have them. They just can’t imagine anyone else feeling sorrow, pain, etc. I dare say most of the populace don’t seem to grasp realistic ideas of love. If they’re told they are loved with intermittent rewards and constant neglect, trauma bonds form. But how many who don’t get constant “I love you” in words and cuddles can draw the line from working overtime to provide extras, pay for extracurricular activities, making sure the vehicle is safe and maintained as love? Mowing and raking, cleaning, cooking? We’re so wrapped up in our own traumas, we tend to not consider what led our loved ones to have avoidant or inexpressive attachment style. And it takes work on both parts to resolve serious issue or part with love and forgiveness.
Now imagine the emptiness and inner turmoil inside the dark triad types. Every abusive word and deed is generated by that. Even if they don’t believe they need therapeutic intervention, they live with that.
PTSD, C-ptsd, CTE, were all poorly understood and treatment (societal) was retribution and isolation. We still do that with people we know had suffered abuse, from public leaders to school shooters. What lasting benefit does that bring society? Real solutions are expensive in time, money, consistency, but without them, dark triads keep being in business and social leadership positions, school shootings still happen. That is collective karma for collectively and continuously failing to address issues.
Life isn’t fair. It rains on the day of someone’s long awaited celebration, but also on the garden that yield sustinance. A life ends, another begins. The universe seems equilibrium, not equality and will balance itself. Dharma is the ability to accept that, in peace. The changes we seek in society means facing and fixing the worst of ourselves and strengthening the best. If we want leaders who aren’t twisted and corrupt, we have to take the time to fix ourselves, our own twistedness and corruption, and modeling that best behavior clearly and consistently to the generations behind us. It’s a slow process, not McDonald’s drive-through or you get McDonald’s drive-through solutions with McDonald’s drive - through results, like Bernie Madoff, hrc/djt, retributive segregation like CECOT, Rikers and Guantanamo and death penalities.
We all want better working conditions, better social conditions, better pay, how many are willing to suffer, die, to make it happen, or even get off Lemmy to attend public meetings, talk to neighbors with differing beliefs IRL? So we keep doing what we’ve been doing and keep getting the same results. That’s karma, failure to learn the lesson and correct ourselves. Dharma begins with understanding I can’t fix anything until I fix me, or have at least made consistent demonstrable progress. Then I have to put the same effort in my community where I can realistically contribute, take risks and be willing to suffer personal consequences for rewards I personally may not reap.
Apologies if I have to come back and clean this up. My device is doing a things where my field of vision is the beginning of this post, not where I’m typing.
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You think this is karma? Even if he was guilty of heinous shit, he deserves to rot in obscurity.
Edit: to add an “if”
I posted a reply to the other person’s comment then accidentally hit delete rather than edit and had to repost it.
Is exsanguination painful? I understand the process by which a blood vessel itself is breached could cause localized pain of varying degrees, but assuming local anesthetic was applied at the extraction point, is the actual process of bleeding out physically painful?
The firing squad aims for the heart so there are definitely a couple seconds of pain but the body doesn’t last long with the heart shredded.
Exsanguination itself? No - it starves your brain of oxygen so you fall unconscious pretty quickly with enough flow.
Getting enough flow to lose consciousness quicky? That’s painful.
Well, if I’m ever executed, I hope all my blood and organs and whatever else can be harvested and donated to a children’s hospital.
Assuming local anesthetic was used to minimize the pain, a cut to the femoral artery might do it quickly. Google search says it only takes 3-5 minutes, sometimes less depending on the severity of the cut. Might be able to hasten things if you cut the femoral in each leg, too
Really nothing inhumane about firing squad.
/s right? … Please say /s
In terms of execution methods. Not debating the morality of execution in itself.
