Do all these dickheads go to a school to learn the same specific hand gestures?
Girfters emulating each other
What a stupid name for a company.
Wow! I’ve always wanted a browser that would track everything about me! /s
Gotta get me some of that.
I appreciate him saying it upfront. Makes it easy to stay away from all of their products.
In other news, Perplexity has signed a deal with Motorola to have the browser preinstalled on their phones.
Thx, for the heads up. The only reason I’m not typing this on a motorola g85 is because I got distracted when I was ordering it. Now I’ve got to search for a different brand.
In mean it’s what Google is doing for years now. Not saying it’s good by any means but it’s nothing new anymore.
P.T. Barnum in his grave getting a full on chubby for all the suckers that go for this shit
Companies are so removed from what users want, they only focus on what shareholders want to hear and don’t consider that users will hate it.
Because there is legal precedent that says shareholders come first.
You can blame Dodge for this. Yes, that Dodge.
Oh, look, the reason Dodge reliability is garbage.
Real shocker, right? 😂
So to ensure that a company is more likely to be customer focused, rather than shareholder focused, it’s likely a good idea to only go for companies not listed on the american stock exchanges?
Yup. Same goes for being employed - if they’re publicly traded they’ll almost certainly treat their staff like absolute garbage.
I mean, that’s my take. Also why you hear a lot of moaning and groaning from enthusiasts when a company who makes well-loved products decides to go public. Enshittification always occurs.
Too bad, that long-term users still kind of decide the fate of the company (as shareholders at some point realize that their share probably is not worth it).
I’m really keen to see when this happens to Tesla, I’m thinking about shorting the stock, it’s so vastly overvalued, and there’s strong competition and sales are crashing everywhere (because of too much Nazi)
Too bad, that long-term users still kind of decide the fate of the company (as shareholders at some point realize that their share probably is not worth it).
Yeah, that’s really the kicker, isn’t it? Legally beholden to the shareholders who demand short term profits forever and ever, risking the loss of long-term customers.
It’s a guaranteed death.
But then users use it anyway for some reason. Many people care so little.
Most people are unintelligent sacks of meat, not much critical thought about what they do runs through their minds.
Attention is invisible until you take the time to acknowledge it. People will never treat it as a resource of the same value as these companies, because they don’t even recognize it as something being taken away from them (despite that it is actually the most precious resource - our literal lives), and that disparity will always be profitable.
It is legislation’s work.
That’s like a cigarette brand marketing themselves as the most cancer-causing.
Before even reading the article, I’m thinking they’re maybe selling it as a good thing along the lines of “do you hate to see those ads you don’t care about? Taking space on your apps and pages? What if there was a way to make them actually useful! Make them feel like content, just for you!”
I feel like I have to point out that this is horrific either way
Edit: I actually talked about this quickly with a few almost tech-illiterate friends and they were honestly excited about that at first, when I didn’t preface it with my reasoned disdain for it or the privacy implications… so despite the way we here react to it, I’m almost sure this will sell amazingly.
When using my current browser, any guess as to how often I’ve said to myself “I need a browser that spies on me more”?
Beep boop, this is your browser speaking. You have stated that you need a browser that spies on you more one (1) times.
6?
I hate when people post hyperpartisan reporting because it makes me do homework. In this case, you made me listen to almost an hour of a three hour podcast with three techbros chatting about techbro crap in techbro ways. You owe me years of life.
Anyway, so the conspicuously missing context here is he’s asked if they will let go of the subscription model and go after an ad business model instead and he responds “hopefully not” and clarifies that he thinks the AI differentiator from Google search is that it doesn’t feed people ads.
He then transitions into saying that you’d need a super hyperspecialized profile for it to make sense and then maybe it could work but they haven’t figured out long term memory well enough for that, which is when he talks about why they’d want to have a browser to build that hyperspecialized profile.
This is my least favorite type of misinfo, too, because he’s actually kinda saying what they say he’s saying, just out of context. But more importantly, because he says some other shit that is more outrageous, too. For example, when explaining why he thinks the subscription business will grow more than the ad business the way he puts it is that “people see it as hiring someone”, so they’re more willing to spend, and he ponders “how much do people pay for personal assistants and assistant managers and nannies?” and suggests that they’ll provide similar services for cheaper to people who can’t afford human help.
Which may not be as clickbaity and I get he finds it positive-on-the-aggregate, but is certainly some cyberpunk dystopia stuff that didn’t need the out of context quoting to be a thing.
A scholar and a gentleman!
You owe me years of life.
Best I can do is an upvote and a hearty thank you.
Thank you!
Thanks for you sacrifice and service (it does sound like, but it is NOT sarcastic)
We need more people like you, thank you
Thank you!
There is an implication, though, that they intend to collect as much data as possible regardless of which model they use? And in the article, he isn’t selling any data, I think. Any mention of that?
To be clear, they ARE building an AI-forward browser and he is very plain about collecting a ton of user info. The way it’s presented in context is that they intend to plug it in to their assistant/agent thing and surface relevant stuff to you on searches (which is the potential ad opportunity the article quotes as if it was the sole goal). But yeah, the implication is that they are collecting data regardless, even if the user profile ends up being used to cater AI responses to you specifically, to train models or whatever.
Hearing the guy talk about it I get the impression that he envisions an Apple-like ecosystem where they’re constantly ingesting data and you’re paying them to have their AI services act as a personal assistant and handle purchases and booking for you directly and so on, on top of anwering queries.
I would rather clip my toenails with a rusty chainsaw, myself, but that seems to be the idea.
Thank you!
Oh yeah I’m definitely going to use that. He’s a marketing genius.
And people would voluntarily use this browser …why?
Weirder things have happened. Like people using Brave voluntarily.
I’m out of the loop, what’s wrong with Brave?
It’s a great browser especially if you go through the settings and disable the things you don’t need, but the people here don’t like it because the CEO donated $1000 to anti gay marriage bill in 2008. There were some other controversies like injecting brave’s referral codes on crypto exchanges if you were signing up for an account and allowing bat donations to creators that didn’t sign up for it but all of that has been remedied.
You make it sound like the CEO is a changed man. He’s a shitbag through and through.
Idk much about the CEO, the only reason why I mentioned him was to highlight that imo when it comes to brave people on lemmy judge the person not the product, and the product is good. I see no reason to dismiss it just because 1 guy (who probably haven’t even touched it) out of 100s of employees did something that doesn’t align with my morals. As far as I know brave makes money from it’s ad program, bat value and other non browser services; VPN and premium versions of its search, llm, and talk. It doesn’t have “the firefox deal” so as long as you disable brave ads and don’t directly give them money there is no ethical conundrum regarding supporting a bad person.
Um, should I stop using Brave?
use librewolf if you want privacy. idk much abt brave but i do know that their ceo is super homophobic, and ive heard that brave sometimes changes the referral links you select to make them money
Only if you are going tor only. Im no expert but imo there is no better general purpose browser right now, both in terms of usability and privacy. Default firefox is a joke, librewolf is decent but it’s fingerprint protection relies on blending in which is difficult to achieve with it’s small userbase or if you have a lot of extensions and it’s identity separation is done manually through containers while brave uses randomization for fingerprinting, that doesn’t have this issue and it does site containerization between all tabs automatically. Ungoogled chromium is just brave without all the privacy benefits, mullvad browser is just tor browser without tor, which might be useful in some cases if you are using multiple browsers but I wouldn’t main it , and it has the same problems as librewolf. Opera is Chinese spyware, Vivaldi is whole ass operating system with a browser functionality, everything else is dead or not ready or not any better so yeah… I’ll be sticking with brave until something better comes along. If someone here knows a better alternative please let me know in the comment.
Ungoogled chromium is just brave without all the privacy benefits, mullvad browser is just tor browser without tor, which might be useful in some cases if you are using multiple browsers but I wouldn’t main it , and it has the same problems as librewolf
Yes, librewolf is un-mozillad firefox but it also turns on many privacy features by default. Many sites need exceptions to work properly which takes a little getting used to. After using FF for decades librewolf was an easy switch.
tor is crazy, like you cant use half the internet with it - how do you sign into stuff while remaining anonymus? its good for hiding browsing history from the world, but other than that i don think its the best. iIuse librewolf and it seems to work well, i might switch in the future to something else but im fine with this.
I use it for the encryption and IP hiding just to make casual surveillance more difficult, more than trying to be 100% anonymous. If I can’t use a site with Tor, I’ll add an exception for it if it’s something I really need. Otherwise, I find an alternative for whatever I was trying to do, and I don’t really care.
because they want ads that serve them things they want I imagine. EDIT: if ur downvoting me, say why. some people will see this as a feature
This is really good information, now I know to avoid their browser like the plague.
Why would I use such a browser?
Because some influencer say you should. Works this way for too many people.
The amount of folks I see use Opera GX “gaming browser” because some influencer said so…
What the fuck is a gaming browser. Browsers show web pages.
It downloads RAM for you, sells your browsing data to major gaming companies, helps you stay on top of your Twitch subs by disabling the ability to block web notifications.
You know, a gaming browser.
Dude, you forgot that it had built in led control. We all should know by know that gaming = leds
Or better yet, it adds LEDs to your web browsing experience (in-page and inside PWAs) and the colours scheme is synchronized with your computer’s LED.
Fun fact: it turns out that all those LEDs rely (in Windows at least) on a super-insecure driver written by a hobbyist who last updated it in the mid-2000s and has since disavowed it.
Steve didn’t really do his due diligence on that video, a lot of RGB software hasn’t used it for awhile, including one he said do. It certainly used to be a big problem and there’s definitely still holdouts
From what I’ve seen it has a lil sidebar that lets you limit the resources available to it. Also a load of shortcuts to giveaways and storefronts. It’s also hideous, as all gamer stuff should be.
Honestly it gives me more “lowspec” vibes, than “gaming”, and there are far better ways to browse on low spec machines.
I’m still shocked at how many seemingly tech-literate people use and defend Brave because of influencers.
An influencer’s review only makes me wary of a product and makes me question their motives.
But I guess others don’t see it that way, or they wouldn’t be doing it.
Also depends on which source we are discussing. Many YouTube channel owners do no not call themselves “influencers” and just focus on their domains and are very strict about sponserships (some don’t even accept sponsorships).
“Because it really gets you, y’know?”
They’ve partnered with Motorla and probably Samsung to have it pre-installed. And a lot of people stick to the default one.
Once they are bought out by the singular mega corporation you will have only few choices left.
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Learn to love their products
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Sit idle in the dust because without their product you cannot partake in society.
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Join an OpenClan and become a technomage
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I imagine all of this data collection would greatly improve AI around browser use? That could be a feature with enough draw in the consumer space.
Rich CEOs will want all their employees using it and only web apps so that they can try to use that data to replace them. Their perplexity dashboard will have a list of all their employees, AI’s fine-tuned on that employee’s data.
The future is bright… :-\
because it has AI omg this will make our lives so much easier for real
