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French President Emmanuel Macron met with parliamentary parties on Thursday. During the meeting Macron said he was open to the possibility of sending troops to Ukraine, as announced by, according to French newspaper L’Independant.
Fabien Roussel, a representative of the French Communist Party, said after the meeting that “Macron referenced a scenario that could lead to intervention [of French troops]: the advancement of the front towards Odesa or Kyiv.”
He noted that the French President showed parliamentarians maps of the possible directions of strikes by Russian troops in Ukraine.
Following the meeting, Jordan Bardella of the far-right National Rally party noted that “there are no restrictions and no red lines” in Macron’s approach.
Ah yes, get two nuclear powers against each other, great fucking idea.
Do people not see how insane this is?
There have been half a million casualties on European soil. Do you suggest we simply let more people die? Or that nuclear powers can simply bully smaller countries and do what they want?
I suggest you to run a simple wikipedia search on any EU or world leader to see how much corrupted and evil they are. I also suggest you to pick up a good history book and read it. The only war that should matters for people is that against their own corrupted mafiosi rulers. War between countries and nations are mentally hill games played by politicians greedy for wealth and power. War games between nuclear powers is always a disastrous scenario for people like me and you. It’s not just the threat of total destruction that should concern you, when countries prepares for war they trigger a destructive machine.
Yes, we know that Russia invaded Ukraine because of a mentally ill game by a dude greedy for wealth and power. And now we unfortunately are put in the position of having to stop his quest for wealth and power lest it consume the whole of Europe. Or do you think that the guy hungry for wealth and power will stop pursuing those things because of diplomacy?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
The west doesn’t give a shit about diplomacy either, they want war. Rulers profit on war.
Russia and the west have being at each others for a century, their ambitions didn’t start with russia invasion of ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
If the West wants war so bad, why are Western countries dithering so hard about giving equipment to Ukraine? Shouldn’t that be profitable for them? Shouldn’t the US congress approve the aid to Ukraine in a heartbeat if all they want is to enrich themselves if war is so profitable?
Why is it okay for Russia to profit from war, but not for people trying to stop Russia from expanding their war profiteering? Does every European country need to become a target for Russian war profiteering?
Who was it that attacked Ukraine? Regardless of any past ambitions, even if the west “wants war”, would there be any war in Europe at the present moment if Russia had not invaded Ukraine?
They aren’t, did you read the article i posted that says the west has been helping ukraine for a decade already? Did you miss the part where ukraine is getting f-16, already got abrams, german tanks, thousand of javelins, illegal cluster munitions, drones and all the rest? Did you ever bothered checking the sky traffic near ukraine for the past 2 years?
Ask that to your government who is in business partnership with china and other countries selling weapons to russia.
There are plenty of wars around the globe you don’t hear about in the media
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish–Turkish_conflict
So your proposal is what, let Putin fuck Ukraine? Then Moldova and Georgia? Then maybe the Baltics? Have you not reasoned through the consequences of abandoning Ukraine?
Ppl on this site sometimes act like war doesnt need to happen if they just dont believe in it, personally. I get it, im a pacifist, too. War is evil and hellish. This is a fact.
It is also a fact that russia invaded Ukraine and has on numerous occasions now called it a stepping stone. If u dont want a war, youve already got one! If you dont want it at your doorstep (bc thats the closest youll get to avoiding it), then Ukraine must be better funded and equiped.
We’re not the only ones with wants, we’re not the only ones with plans. Countries have them, too, ans some countries happen to be much more hostile towards ppl who like having their wants and needs free from government intervention.
They are arguing in bad faith and they know it. The peace-absolutism is in a long tradition of pro-Soviet propaganda, where the only obstacle to eternal world peace was countries (particularly those opposing the Soviet Union) having any military at all. (Soviet Union was of course allowed to have a strong military to “protect” itself from Western, particularly US, “aggression”).
All of the calls for “peace” and “diplomacy” now are exactly the same: calls to stop actively resisting Russian aggression, and in the longer term to destroy your capability of being able to resist in the first place. And, if possible, to simply roll over to all Russian demands because you aren’t being “diplomatic” otherwise.
War, in this propagandistic view, is only caused by the country being invaded defending itself; after all, if they simply allowed Russia to take over, there would be no war. In the best case, the situation would have been solved through “diplomacy”, i.e. simply agreeing to all Russian demands. That way war would have been avoided, right?
And because no sensible person wants war, the leaders saying “no” to Russian demands (and who therefore must not want diplomacy, right?) must want war either because they’re corrupt and want to profit off of the war, because they’re “russophobic” “nazis” who “unreasonably” hate Russia, or because they’re being used as pawns by someone else, most likely the US. Because no one wants war, and therefore should be willing to conduct diplomacy over any questions (i.e. roll over to Russian demands) if they were not being manipulated in some way. And that is why poor Russia is “forced” to invade countries because of the US and the West, because being US pawns they are not willing to be diplomatic (i.e. agree to all Russian demands).
Anyone in the West supporting the invaded country is therefore a “warmongerer” if they do not support “diplomacy” (= letting Russia have whatever they want). Because there would be no war if Russia could just do whatever they want with no resistance.
Fucking. Preach.
I cant word that half as eloquently as you; you are spot on. Like, every bit of this rant is spot on.
Ukraine and all other countries in the world are invisible lines draw on a map. Politicians do not fight they wars and do not give a fuck about people, look at how all the countries supporting ukraine are supporting the genocide in gaza at the same time.
We are already walking on a thin line, if a normal bomb accidentally hits a nuclear plant in ukraine prepare to abandon half of the world.
There are a thousand of better solutions to solve this conflict that even a kid could come up with. Truth is they don’t want to solve it, politicians are mentally hill people competing with each others for world domination. They profit on war, they want more of it not less, they want more power not less. Russians are chilling in Dubai, where are the sanctions against Arabia and its dictators?
You’re saying as if either France sends troops or Putin conquers Ukraine. What Ukraine needs is machinery and ammunition.
You just don’t see another way? Is it war or war? Diplomacy and peace is just not an option anymore? I hope your point of view derives from the hope no more people lose their homes nor their lives in Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, etc. and not from playing strategy games thousands of kilometers away. “We tried diplomacy and didn’t work” you might say. And you would be right. But they should try harder (politicians). We pay them for that, and all they can come up with is just sending innocent people out to die.
I don’t know, why don’t we ask Neville Chamberlain?
War is forced on us, you fool. One way or another, we will have to confront putin. Yes, it is war or war. wtf do you think has been going on for a decade?
It’s difficult to be diplomatic when the other guy is actively attacking you.
Particularly as Russian diplomacy tends to be, “do what we say and we might not hurt you more for the time being”.
I’m sure Russia will withdraw from Ukraine to prevent such an eventuality from happening.
That would imply that nuclear powers should just annex all non-nuclear powers while they’re available. How would a United America sound like, from Seattle, USA to Ushuaia, USA.
Like Pakistan and India? Or India and China?
Nuclear powers have skirmishes all the time without exchanging spicy boys, and France’s nuclear arsenal is by design purely defensive.
They are brainwashed by propaganda so they don’t. Governments spend billions on it. For the same reason they celebrate and cheer on weapons manufacturing and war, not understanding that weapons are designed to kill people not to help them and that war only brings destruction.
War is insane, so it is unfortunate that Russia has unleashed it again. But fortunately we are working on helping Ukraine stop Russia from killing more people and bringing more destruction to Ukraine.
Edit: I love how pro-Russian shills are downvoting me without being able to give a single real reason why one should blame this war on anyone else but Russia.
Doesn’t seem the case or you would hear of diplomacy talks not making more weapons and sending more troops there.
Governments and politicians are all rigged, they don’t care about people they care about their own filthy interests
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
West and russia have been attacking each others for a century, none of them are good, they seek and want war, corrupted politicians crave more wealth and power they don’t care about people look at how they are supporting a genocide right now in palestine
I have no desire for American troops to fight in Ukraine. For all those with the bloodlust. Go enlist.
I wouldn’t go. I’d just resign my commission and wash my hands of it.
I’m tried of everyone looking to America to come save them and they whine about Americans after we do.
Wtf? Did Iraq/Afghanistan ask you to invade??? When was the last time the US did a military intervention to help somebody else?
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That isn’t our job. Our job is to protect our interest.
Going to war with Russia is not in our interest. I fully support sending weapons but I don’t support US boots s on the ground and neither would the American people.
We invaded Iraq due to violations of the 1st gulf war ceasefire.
We invaded Afghanistan to dismantle the terrorist group that attacked America on 9/11.
This isn’t a fight America needs to be directly involved with. If they attack an ally, that’s a different story.
Now with the Ukrainian nuclear agreement. I felt We have an excuse to join at the start of the war but Biden didn’t follow through. If Russia drops a nuke, I feel we are obligated to put boots on the ground due to that treaty.
You’re just as popular outside your echo chamber I see.