Most users prefer to defederate from socialist instances because “tankies”.
I would advocate for defederation based on idiotic politics but calling tankies socialist is disingenuous. Since when is genocide denial and or worship is an acceptable behavior?
The problem is that the mainstream is simply declaring historical events one way and any other dissenting viewpoint or evidence is suppressed. And there IS evidence.
The fascists (and Putin’s propaganda trolls) have been successful in disruption any dialogue between people from the actual left: socialists. Not the neoliberal “democrats”.
And now you do their work for them: You censor the socialists (marxist-leninist, maoists) because some “dirtbag left” troll once was mean to someone. You probably can’t even link to an example of what you accuse entire group of. But this tankie slur gets repeated and amplified more and more. People simply call you tankie, downvote and everyone piles on without thinking.
The problem is that disinformation and post-truth doublethink on the so called “left” (=neoliberals) is almost indistinguishable from MAGA like OP.
If you check out lemmy from an instance that hasn’t defederated from the socialist instances you’ll see that basically half of lemmy activity is invisible - the socialist half. The result is rather predictable.
He didn’t deny the ills and the repression in the USSR but showed with sources that there were significant economic upsides. He states that Russia isn’t communist or socialist any more. At no point does he deny Russia’s invasion is illegal. He at no point denies genocide.
So what does make him a tankie? That he has a different analysis of the history about how this war came to be? Which wasn’t even the topic of discussion! You can argue about the quality of the sources or survey - but you were already ready to call him an odious tankie and shitpost.
People equate anyone socialist or antiwar or anti US empire with being a tankie and putin apologist. Which leads to the wholesale censoring and defederation.
I do agree that mods are WAY too ban-happy on lemmy.
Arguably neither that post nor the political discussion belongs in that community.
I would advocate for defederation based on idiotic politics but calling tankies socialist is disingenuous. Since when is genocide denial and or worship is an acceptable behavior?
The problem is that the mainstream is simply declaring historical events one way and any other dissenting viewpoint or evidence is suppressed. And there IS evidence.
The fascists (and Putin’s propaganda trolls) have been successful in disruption any dialogue between people from the actual left: socialists. Not the neoliberal “democrats”.
And now you do their work for them: You censor the socialists (marxist-leninist, maoists) because some “dirtbag left” troll once was mean to someone. You probably can’t even link to an example of what you accuse entire group of. But this tankie slur gets repeated and amplified more and more. People simply call you tankie, downvote and everyone piles on without thinking.
The problem is that disinformation and post-truth doublethink on the so called “left” (=neoliberals) is almost indistinguishable from MAGA like OP.
If you check out lemmy from an instance that hasn’t defederated from the socialist instances you’ll see that basically half of lemmy activity is invisible - the socialist half. The result is rather predictable.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/13653122
here is an example of how these “socialists” behave check modlog for the actual convo.
Doesn’t look like anything to me (lol)
He didn’t deny the ills and the repression in the USSR but showed with sources that there were significant economic upsides. He states that Russia isn’t communist or socialist any more. At no point does he deny Russia’s invasion is illegal. He at no point denies genocide.
So what does make him a tankie? That he has a different analysis of the history about how this war came to be? Which wasn’t even the topic of discussion! You can argue about the quality of the sources or survey - but you were already ready to call him an odious tankie and shitpost.
People equate anyone socialist or antiwar or anti US empire with being a tankie and putin apologist. Which leads to the wholesale censoring and defederation.
I do agree that mods are WAY too ban-happy on lemmy.
Arguably neither that post nor the political discussion belongs in that community.
genocide denial spotted again…
these comments don’t get removed on lemmy.ml but counter points do…
You make no counter points just baseless and heinous accusations.
Sure buddy
Then you wonder why people scoff at this sort of “socialism”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor