WE STOOD BEHIND OBAMA??? BITCH, TURTLE MCFUCKFACE SAID, AS SOON AS OBAMA WAS ELECTED, THAT HIS #1 PRIORITY WAS ENSURING OBAMA DIDN’T GET A SECOND TERM!!
When Trump lost in 2020 he abused every possible thing he could to try and hold onto power including a (thankfully) unsuccessful coup attempt.
They’re STILL not over it. What a crock.
Aaaahahahaahhahha that’s a good one. Just like they stood behind Joe Biden and didn’t tell everyone to fuck Biden or kill him…
This is American, here you respect result on free election. So you don’t, for instance, start a huge riot with the goal of overturning the election, 14 days before the inauguration of the new president, supporting the movement to hang your VP and attacking the US capitol.
FUN FACT literally the 2nd paragraph of the declaration of Independence gives all Americans the right to overthrow the government if it infringes on your rights and implement a government that better respects your rights
(note, depending on the transcription or print it might not even have paragraphs)
The Declaration of Independence doesn’t give Americans any rights, because it’s not part of the Constitution and it’s not law.
“Own when you lose”? Bitch, we remember Jan 6th. Nevermind Obama.
There is a reason they skipped past Biden and said Obama.
We all rallied behind Clinton.
(I read the Monica Lewinsky thing was only found when they were searching something else desperately trying to find something to impeach him on. Because Nixon was impeached.)
Yep, the Starr report was basically hundreds of pages of mostly legally irrelevant sensationalism, and Republicans charged taxpayers 40 million to make it.
There’s bombing the pharma plant in Sudan that killed 10,000 and an unknown number of downstream people due to lack of medicine, there was the sanctions on Iraq, estimated to have killed 1 million, mostly children, the acceleration of Israeli settlements, dropping cluster bombs on Yugoslavia, etc all right there.
But republicans only issue with those crimes is that Clinton didn’t kill enough foreigners.
Given what I know about the Yugoslav wars I can say with near absolute certainty that using cluster munitions on Yugoslavia (Serbia) was entirely warranted.
No, using cluster munitions is never fucking warranted, the land is still blighted today, 25 years later.
Ill feel sorry for them when the Serbian government stops trying to be little Russia. Until then I will propose that they deserve an increase in munitions saturation.
Unexploded cluster munitions don’t target Serbian politicians, they tend to hurt children more frequently than anyone else.
This is why it’s almost universally agreed that weapons that don’t discriminate between soldiers and civilians and continue killing long after a conflict has ended are a special kind of evil and a crime to use even in war.
The other reason being that less precise weapons just aren’t as effective at actually destroying military targets.
Yes, we absolutely have to own when we lose, and we have no finer example of this than MAGA on January 6th, 2021 CE. Because fuck me if that wasn’t an inspirational display of accepting the loss of the presidential election to the democrats. Truly a historic moment for decency, courteousness, virtuousness, stoicism, gallantry, and the actual definition of honor among Americans.
Better believe I make my nieces and nephews watch my VHS tape of that day every year on its anniversary.
Absolutely no qualms with your comment, but I’m just curious. You have January 6th on VHS?
It wasn’t easy, that’s for sure. People keep telling me I should “digitize” it to something called an “SD card”, which frankly sounds satanic.
I live on the opposite side of the world and even I remember when Obama wore a fucking tan suit once more than 10 years ago because Republicans threw such a big tantrum over it.
But what about that elitist Dijon mustard he put on his hamburger? That was a real travesty.
Or the time he served too many peas at dinner?
The terrorist fist jab
They freaked out because of the choice of leaf in his salad! (Arugula) That obviously makes him the Antichrist.
And a man of good taste; Arugala is best salad
And dijon is the superior mustard. It’s just further proof that some people have more money than sense and just want what they’ve always had.
I mean really it’s that some people’s interface with the world is backwards.
Instead of it being like
“Facts” -> “Emotions”
for many people it’s
“Emotions” -> “Facts”
They don’t like Obama. Therefore, whatever he did is bad. That’s it. They’re like the common clay of the new west.
I think Seth Meyers did a thing about how the right wing was freaking out about Biden having ice cream and saying that’s unpresidential and for old people, but like literally the same week Trump had ice cream and it was not a problem.
We were still talking about Obama’s birth certificate years after inauguration. So yeah, that’s not really a thing.
We should all get behind the sitting president regardless of party, but I don’t think that has ever happened…
We were still talking about Obama’s birth certificate years after inauguration.
Was Trump himself not one of the biggest pushers of that bullshit? I seem to remember him using it as part of his campaign when he wasn’t even running against Obama.
I’m not honestly sure that we should. Sometimes supporting and wanting what’s best for the country means earnestly hoping the president utterly fails.
I sincerely hope this trump administration accomplishes less than they did last time, ideally nothing.
Why? The Trump administration will do good and bad things, and I hope they succeed at the good things (e.g. cutting waste) and fail at the bad things (e.g. cutting important services).
Show them the American people are more than partisan hacks, and maybe they’ll start pretending they’re not partisan hacks.
Horseshit. They are not being honest about clearing government waste. Any talk of reducing government spending without significant cuts to the military is a fable.
Any minor good things they do will be completely overshadowed by the pilfering of the country for a select few.
I want what’s best for the country, specifically the people in it, and the world as a whole.
I hope that trump fails because his stated objectives are abhorrent to common decency, fiscal prudence, and functional governance.What he calls waste I don’t believe for a second is actually waste. He has done nothing to earn my trust in that or any other regard, and so I don’t. Certainly not enough to trust them with something as broad as “waste”, if the fools who think that any scientific research they don’t see the point of is “waste” like so many of the examples have been.
Listening and judging a politician based on their words and actions isn’t being “partisan”. The electorate can’t even be “partisan hacks”, they’re the one’s whose interests and opinions are supposed to be being represented.
It’s not up to the American people to live up to the expectations of politicians. It’s literally a politicians entire job to live up to ours, and do things that benefit us. If the politicians goal is contrary to that end, I hope they fail.
I’m not gonna wish someone who wants to harm me, my family and my friends luck just so that they might not want to in the future. They need to earn my trust, not the other way around.If they do nothing for four years and things remain exactly the same as today, I’ll count that as a win. If they yell “psych!” and actually do something good I’ll eat a hat.
What he calls waste I don’t believe for a second is actually waste
I don’t know what he considers waste, but there’s a ton of obvious waste, such as military suppliers (also goes for many government suppliers). I obviously haven’t pored over government financials, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we could find tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars of waste by looking for things like this.
That said, what will probably end up happening is that they’ll use it to gut services that are politically inconvenient (e.g. CDC) instead of cutting actual waste. But I’ll hold out hope, because I literally can’t control it anyway and I prefer hope to despair.
The electorate can’t even be “partisan hacks”, they’re the one’s whose interests and opinions are supposed to be being represented.
I take it you haven’t spent much time on social media then… So many people have knee-jerk reactions to things due to their party affiliation instead of the actual facts. Positive things about Biden/Harris get posted on Lemmy and Reddit, and negative things tend to get ignored (inverse is true for Trump).
People like slanting their view of events when it fits their own internal narrative, instead of objectively looking at the facts. That is what I mean by the electorate being “partisan hacks.”
It’s not up to the American people to live up to the expectations of politicians
Sure, but it’s also up to the American people to inform politicians when they are or are not living up to expectations. If they only get negative feedback from those outside their party and positive feedback from those within it, they’ll continue doing things that benefit their party over society as a whole. If members of the opposition party actually applauded when they did something good, maybe they’d do more of that thing. But if all we get is negativity and obstructionism (and yes, that happens on both sides of the aisle), we’ll just get more partisan hackery.
I’m calling for a shift in the public discourse on social media toward constructive feedback instead of partisan nonsense. We can’t change what the big media orgs do, but we can choose what we do and who we support.
I don’t know what he considers waste, but there’s a ton of obvious waste, such as military suppliers
That’s likely an accounting quirk you linked: if they list 9 screws and a tank for $1M but don’t specify individual prices, in some situations they just approximate it by assuming they cost the average - so they assume the tank costs $100k and each screw costs $100k each.
Perhaps.
I worked at a company that sold equipment to the military, and almost all of our military sales happened near the end of the year. They wanted their own SKU with guaranteed compatibility for their software, so we charged them extra for it (to be fair, maintaining compatibility did take extra dev work). They never seemed to push back on pricing, unlike our commercial customers who kept clamoring for lower SKUs with a lower cost.
Due to that experience, I highly doubt government agencies are getting anywhere near the best price. And why should they care? It’s not like they get a bonus for spending less, but they do risk cuts if they spend less. With no reason beyond obligation to keep costs down, I could absolutely believe each agency could cut about 10% by just being more careful about expenses, some more, some less. With yearly spending of ~$7T, $500B is actually rounding down from that estimate.
It’s not necessarily because of expensive toilets, but I do know companies overcharge the government because they can. We did it to an extent, and I think we were one of the better actors because my boss’s (the CEO) dream has always been to supply our military, and that’s basically the entire reason he created the company (we only sold commercially when military sales dried up due to spending cuts in that dept). We later hired a vet just to get our foot back in the door despite booming commercial sales.
My eyes rolled so hard they literally flew out of my head and knocked a wall off the back of my house when I saw your example to justify “hundreds of billions of dollars of waste” was an opinion piece on the $500 toilet seat from 1986.
Spoiler alert: if you read the next few years of news it’s revealed that those stories are almost uniformly exaggerations and misrepresentations driven by Reagan era people who wanted to starve the beast.Political lies drummed up to justify cutting vital services under the pretenses of “fighting waste”.
You can do whatever you want. I won’t be caught dead cheering for a fascist who wants to rollback civil rights just to give him a fair shot in case he makes a prudent budget cut. Which he won’t, because his platform has openly covered that they want to cut education, healthcare, and science.
But hey, at least you gave the fascists a fair shot despite their open plans for evil, right?It’s well known that government agencies spend way more than they need to in order to keep their funding the next year. Spending needs aren’t consistent every year, so they try to smooth over the differences by purpurchasing things before EOY or retaining staff they don’t technically need in case their spending needs are higher next year.
That’s stupid and wasteful. I don’t know how wasteful, but I do know there’s an incentive for an agency to expand its budget. It may not come in the form of $500 toilets, but you don’t have to look any further than the TSA to find excesses.
fascists
Trump is no more a fascist than Harris is a communist. I don’t like rhetoric like this, and I urge you to stop with the name calling. I absolutely don’t like Trump and I like his base even less, but I do not believe he’s a fascist, but he is a populist nationalist, which is its own brand of dangerous.
Regardless, I already voted against him twice and can’t do much to stop him, so the best thing is to discuss ways he can use his position for good.
Do you actually know what a fascist is or do you think it’s just a synonym for Nazi?
Harris has never advocated for the communal ownership of the means of production.
People who worked with her don’t describe her as a communist.
There isn’t serious debate about if she’s actually a communist or if she just gets really close to the definition.a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterised by a dictatorial leader, centralised autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy
Is that the definition of fascism, or trumps former chief of staff explaining why he thinks trump is a fascist?
I trust the former head of the joint chiefs of staff, Trump’s former chief of staff, and any number of academics to know what fascism is than I trust you, a person who’s worried about being uncivil to someone who wants to put people in camps.
Like, take a step back and think about what you’re doing. You’re saying it’s insulting and wrong to call a far right populist leader who attempted a coup to stay in power, who has threatened to use the military to bring places that disagree with him into line, who calls his political opponents “the enemy from within” and who calls them evil and their criticism of him illegal a fascist. Even if you don’t see how just that snippet of his behavior warrants the label, why on earth would you care if someone like that was insulted?
We were discussing how he could use his position for good. He could fucking fail at everything he tries to do and leave the country no better and no worse than it is today.
I’m not gonna sit here and jerk the guy off in the hope that he fails at fascism so hard that he somehow deports musk and enacts MAGA-care for all to spite Obama.https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna175198
https://www.durham.ac.uk/research/current/thought-leadership/2024/10/is-trump-a-fascist/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/dispatches/what-does-it-mean-that-donald-trump-is-a-fascist
Revisionist history
No, it’s a fucking full throated lie.
I tried to be patriotic and accept him as president in 2016 until it was quickly obvious that he is a traitor to his country.
“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.”
–Teddy Roosevelt
Every true patriot should stand opposed to trump.
Agreed. And against Biden too.
The (Hard R)epublicans made their opinions known.
Why the fuck is this even being entertained? That’s one of trump’s “lawyer” tv hosts. And she’s talking to some right wing rage bait podcaster. Discussing either of their opinions is fucking useless. And OP’s intention in even posting this is likely just to attempt to legitimize one or both them as part of the general discourse. These are scabs on the otherwise festering asshole that is the gop. Fucking move on.
I vote for murder. Im fully okay with killing conservatives even if they arent maga at this point just to be safe. Preferably radiation poisoning
This but not even joking. It’s simple self preservation at this point to eradicate them.
“I hope he fails.” -Rush Limbaugh talking about Obama.
It’s lying or stupid to pretend that Republicans supported “Not My President” Obama in any way.
In the infamous words yelled at Obama by Joe Wilson: " YOU LIE"
They were behind him with a knife in his back at every opportunity from his first day in office.
https://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromise-pledge-044311 :
Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We’re going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”
